re: Update on Will Wade Sanctions - Won't Receive Show Cause

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He paid a person who was believed to have influenced a recruit. Goes back to my point of usable evidence. Someone’s belief is not usable, they would need someone with actual knowledge to connect the dots. The NCAA didn’t have that. You have literally made my point.

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You are fricking delusional. That’s STILL a Level 1 violation. The NCAA views paying a handler and paying players as basically the same (at least pre-NIL).

And you are acting like the NCAA is a fricking court of law. They aren’t. Their “rules” on evidence are what they want them to be. They stretch the truth and use witness statements as gospel all the time.

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You are fricking delusional.

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5 year ls later & it’s the same delusional group of posters in denial

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You are fricking delusional. That’s STILL a Level 1 violation. The NCAA views paying a handler and paying players as basically the same (at least pre-NIL).

And you are acting like the NCAA is a fricking court of law. They aren’t. Their “rules” on evidence are what they want them to be. They stretch the truth and use witness statements as gospel all the time.

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You’re the gift that keeps giving. Please keep posting, you are showing how stupid you are.

Yes, the NCAA has bylaws that, among other things, control what type of information that can be used to issue the finding of a violation. One of the prohibited categories of information is anonymous sourced information. Seriously, google NCAA committee on infractions bylaws. Educate yourself before you make stupid statements again.

The NCAA is actually in a much worse position than a court, because they do not have subpoena power. The only people they can require to answer questions is players and coaches and university officials. That is why they cannot connect the dots between a “recruiter“ and a payment from a coach.

ETA. Downvote away, you’ve proven how little you know.

Lester - if I’m right and he doesn’t get hit with a show cause, am I delusional?

FYI. I’ve never said he didn’t indirectly pay players. My point was the NCAA cannot prove it under their bylaws. Instead, they made the notice of alligation seem extremely bad to put pressure on LSU to get rid of him. It worked. Now on the backend, those allegations will not stand because they are not supported by usable information.

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Yes, the NCAA has bylaws that, among other things, control what type of information that can be used to issue the finding of a violation. One of the prohibited categories of information is anonymous sourced information. Seriously, google NCAA committee on in fractions bylaws. Educate yourself before you make stupid statements again.

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Who said they were anonymous, a-hole?

And they have bent and broken their fricking rules so many times to get programs. If you believe Lester Earl, they did it to LSU by coercing him to lie so they could nail Dale Brown 30 years ago. They literally changed their definition of how coaches who played at a school can be retroactively viewed as boosters a few days before a season to rule James Wiseman ineligible at Memphis a few years ago. They put out an open call for dirt on Huge Freeze with blanket immunity after they re-opened their investigation on Ole Miss.

They do this shite all the time. What’s hilarious is you sitting here quoting the made-up rules of an organization that everyone knows operates like the mob when they’re out for a program. You are really fricking naive.

The whole bend the knee thing is being overused and it’s stupid. He was on a FBI wiretap discussing a “damn strong offer”. That doesn’t prove anything, but everyone knows what it means.

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My statement earlier in the thread was that he could potentially avoid violations, because all the NCAA had was anonymous sourced information. I’ve been saying this from day one.

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You don’t know this for certain. No one does at this point.

A lot of basketball handlers and middle men who got tied up in the FBI’s case spilled the beans on a lot of people over the course of that investigation. It’s very possible the NCAA has sourced enough to get some direct statements on him. They don’t put out NOAs like they if they don’t have shite. Some may fall on appeal, but they know they will get some of it to stick.

That’s all it takes. My point was that they don’t need HARD evidence like a court. And they absolutely will play fast and loose and bend the rules when they have it in for a person or program, and they definitely have it in for Wade.

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You don’t know this for certain. No one does at this point.

A lot of basketball handlers and middle men who got tied up in the FBI’s case spilled the beans on a lot of people over the course of that investigation. It’s very possible the NCAA has sourced enough to get some direct statements on him. They don’t put out NOAs like they if they don’t have shite. Some may fall on appeal, but they know they will get some of it to stick.

That’s all it takes. My point was that they don’t need HARD evidence like a court. And they absolutely will play fast and loose and bend the rules when they have it in for a person or program, and they definitely have it in for Wade

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You really should step away from the computer, you just keeping showing your ignorance.

The handlers who “spilled the beans” did so to the FBI, not the NCAA. If the information didn’t come out in the two trials, guess what, the NCAA can’t get it. The NCAA actually filed a motion requesting the court to require the DOJ to make public some of the investigation docs and information, the DOJ laughed and the court denied the motion. These handlers didn’t cooperate with the NCAA. So no, the NCAA didn’t get information from handlers spilling the beans.

We actually know - and have known since the Dawkins trial 3 years ago - what information is available through the FBI. No smoking guns left on that front. Again, keep up and you would have known this.

Just so you know the new independent review panel process doesn’t allow for appeals. That was only in the old system where the NCAA handled everything in-house.

You clearly haven’t followed the cases that have come out of the independent review process, they have actually done a good job following the applicable bylaws.

Yes, the NCAA wanted to make an example of Wade. They knew Wade’s contract had been amended to include the right to fire him with cause if he’s hit with a L1 or L2 allegation (doesn’t have to be proven). So they made the NOA as bad as they could, giving Woody what he needed to fire him. They got what they wanted, knowing these allegations weren’t going to hold up. See the allegations are made by the NCAA the independent panel determines if they stick.

ETA. Please do yourself a favor and tap out of this conversation, it is painfully obvious you haven’t followed this close enough to speak intelligently.

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FYI. If they don’t follow their bylaws and sanction a coach or school in a way that blatantly ignores the bylaws and cost that coach/school income, they can be sued. The bylaws have a binding effect, just like a contract.

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Ok What program is going to do that?

I also follow Memphis basketball, so I have seen plenty of this same bullshite before. The NCAA has always had it in for Cal (and we all know why) but never could make anything stick to him, even at UMASS. They dug for a year at Memphis right before he left for UK and came up empty again. All they found that wound stick was and L2 over travel for Derrick Rose’s brother that wasn’t reimbursed and a couple of L3s.

But they could revisit Derrick Rose’s eligibility. They couldn’t make real allegations stick so they took all the wins and a tourney appearance with a run to the Championship Game that season out of spite. Cal was already gone, but that didn’t matter.

When the Memphis AD called the NCAA out for being petty and said the school would appeal, it was made clear that if he did that, the NCAA would come back and re-open their investigation until they found something else. The appeal was dropped.

So who wants to be the first school to file a lawsuit that could take a decade to see through and have to deal with the NCAA, who can openly threaten you anytime they feel like it, in the meantime?

Memphis did actually join the Wiseman family in suing the NCAA over his eligibility and even won a temporary injunction. Not quite the same a suing over major infractions or allegations, but they did stick a finger in the NCAA’s eye. There is still an NOA pending that the NCAA hit them with after that. It looks like most of it will come to nothing but self-imposed penalties, etc now, but without the lawsuit and playing Wiseman while the injunction held, those allegations and that NOA never happen.

Disgruntled coaches might sue the NCAA, but schools don’t because of shite like this.

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CWW would not rule out ever returning to LSU

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