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re: Update: Collins to speak with BR police after draft
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:08 am to tigerfan0082
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:08 am to tigerfan0082
I'll just say this:
People have killed other people for a WHOLE LOT LESS than what Collins has on the line right now... budding future, millions of income, girlfriend/baby, etc.
Circumstantial cases can be built that would put someone as close to the situation as Collins is away for a long time unless they can definitively clear themselves.
No matter how innocent Collins is, walking into a murder investigation that you are close to the victim without doing every possible legal thing you can to keep you clear of charges, is patently stupid.
I assume Collins is innocent and expect him to not say a damned word to anyone but his lawyer and the authorities and let the speculators speculate.
Sucks, but it is what it is.
People have killed other people for a WHOLE LOT LESS than what Collins has on the line right now... budding future, millions of income, girlfriend/baby, etc.
Circumstantial cases can be built that would put someone as close to the situation as Collins is away for a long time unless they can definitively clear themselves.
No matter how innocent Collins is, walking into a murder investigation that you are close to the victim without doing every possible legal thing you can to keep you clear of charges, is patently stupid.
I assume Collins is innocent and expect him to not say a damned word to anyone but his lawyer and the authorities and let the speculators speculate.
Sucks, but it is what it is.
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Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:09 am to OldManRiver
It looks like police are trying to determine two things:
1 who is the father of the child. If nothing else for custodial reasons.
2 does La el know anything about her life. Was she dating anyone? Fighting with anyone? Problems with the father? Etc.
This is all very standard investigative procedure.
This alone does not seem to implicate la el.
This is a sad situation.
1 who is the father of the child. If nothing else for custodial reasons.
2 does La el know anything about her life. Was she dating anyone? Fighting with anyone? Problems with the father? Etc.
This is all very standard investigative procedure.
This alone does not seem to implicate la el.
This is a sad situation.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:09 am to lsufball19
yes I know. I'm not saying to have one or not. in this case the best idea was to have an attorney, I was just making the point at his stage most don't have one and its not a bad thing either way
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:10 am to lsufball19
quote:
I'm sure if he had no involvement he's thinking, "this fricking sucks, I just lost millions because some denigrate murdered my ex girlfriend." However, being overly concerned about that right now is a waste of time. Honestly, that ship has sailed. This is not getting worked out this afternoon. Again, it sucks, but it is what it is. Thus, his number one and only concern, right now, should be doing exactly what his attorney tells him and concentrating on keeping his arse from being charged with murder, ESPECIALLY if he wasn't involved.
Well I almost agree with everything you said here. If he truly had absolutely nothing to do with this, then clearing his name and righting the ship draft-wise would be still achievable on some level.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:11 am to Choctaw
just know that it wasn't at the press conference
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:13 am to Meauxjeaux
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Meauxjeaux
Gets it.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:14 am to lsufball19
I still question the timing. Why not question him last week? Or next week. He isn't a fugitive and not likely to be one. What difference would a day or so make?
I'm wondering what if any cause would Collins have if he is totally exonerated, but the dust up causes him to drop out of the first round.
If this has been discussed, I apologize.
I'm wondering what if any cause would Collins have if he is totally exonerated, but the dust up causes him to drop out of the first round.
If this has been discussed, I apologize.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:14 am to 68wDoc68w
quote:
just know that it wasn't at the press conference
so you have no idea. thanks for the info
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:15 am to firejohnbrady
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some of the dumbest shite I've ever heard a supposed attorney say.
Except for the comment la el's attoeney said yesterday
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:18 am to lsufball19
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It's almost as if some people in this thread are under the impression that your constitutional right counsel is just a loophole to help guilty people get away with crimes. It's also there so innocent people have proper guidance and don't say something dumb that may unintentionally implicate themselves in a crime they didn't commit. It just blows my mind when people say it looks bad that someone hired an attorney. I am baffled people can be that ignorant.
I agree. That said, the VAST majority of material witnesses to a crime talk to police without the assistance of an attorney. As a person's criminal exposure to a case gets more substantial, the percentage of those who walk in with the attorney also increases. Most witnesses feel no need to contact an attorney because they don't fear any criminal exposure.
As such, any time a witness delays the initial request for an interview and then walks in with attorneys in tow, the investigators will obviously factor in the witnesses reluctance to speak without the presence of an attorney into their decision-logic. La'El has an absolute right to send any message he wants with an absolute LEGAL presumption of innocence, but the police are not required to ignore his behavior and factor that in accordingly. Any good investigator is well versed as a human behaviorist and consciousness of guilt and "lawyering up" are part of any investigative equation.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:18 am to Gray Tiger
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I still question the timing. Why not question him last week?
who's to say they didn't attempt to
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Or next week. He isn't a fugitive and not likely to be one. What difference would a day or so make?
it can actually mean a lot in a murder investigation. regardless, the police are not on the nfl draft timeline. think of the girl's family and let's just say, for the sake of argument, collins does have a high probability of involvement. how would you feel if they said, hey we're going to put your case on hold for a few days because our chief suspect has the nfl draft coming up.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:20 am to Choctaw
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so you have no idea. thanks for the info
so you don't think the BRPD reached out to him/his agent first?
you think they sat around and said "how can we mess this guys week up"
the presser was not the first option, it was and generally is the last option to get someone in
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:22 am to Gray Tiger
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I'm wondering what if any cause would Collins have if he is totally exonerated, but the dust up causes him to drop out of the first round.
none unless the police were grossly negligent in their investigation. you can't sue for damages for the state doing its job
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:22 am to OldManRiver
What's the latest on this story? OP can you edit the original post to contain all pertinent info? Don't feel like reading 26 pages.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:24 am to Choctaw
Anyone who at this point thinks that La'el has 100% no involvement in this case is being extremely naive. Not saying he broke a law, not saying he is the focal suspect, but there are 100s of us on this site that aren't being questioned by police for this case. We have 100% no involvement. Anyone who thinks the cops are only question Collins because he casually knew this girl in passing 7 months ago is sadly mistaken. If La'el was wanted for random questioning, he'd still be in Chicago. My opinion is that the police have not been able to rule him out yet, and therefore have to meet with him.
Here's to hoping La'el is just caught up as collateral damage in a bad situation.
Here's to hoping La'el is just caught up as collateral damage in a bad situation.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:24 am to 68wDoc68w
quote:
so you don't think the BRPD reached out to him/his agent first?
i have no idea when they first tried contacting him. that's why i didn't come on a message board pretending that i did
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:26 am to Lsupimp
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I agree. That said, the VAST majority of material witnesses to a crime talk to police without the assistance of an attorney. As a person's criminal exposure to a case gets more substantial, the percentage of those who walk in with the attorney also increases. Most witnesses feel no need to contact an attorney because they don't fear any criminal exposure.
As such, any time a witness delays the initial request for an interview and then walks in with attorneys in tow, the investigators will obviously factor in the witnesses reluctance to speak without the presence of an attorney into their decision-logic. La'El has an absolute right to send any message he wants with an absolute LEGAL presumption of innocence, but the police are not required to ignore his behavior and factor that in accordingly. Any good investigator is well versed as a human behaviorist and consciousness of guilt and "lawyering up" are part of any investigative equation.
A lawyer also makes it much more difficult for them to build their case around a suspect, as the person will be prevented from saying something stupid (which is really the foundation of most criminal cases...) so irregardless of what impact it might have on the psych of the criminal investigator, don't be stupid and bring a damn lawyer when you are wanted for questioning with the police.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:26 am to lsufball19
la'el is just in a bad situation. nothing he says to the brpd will be enough to get the brpd to come out today and say that la'el is clear and has 0 envolvement in the case. the brpd is just not that good, probably can't work that fast and probably doesn't give a shite about his draft status.
also, the police may be instructed to be careful in what they say or do since they may get sued if they make a mistake or a wrongful/harmful public statemenet.
also, the police may be instructed to be careful in what they say or do since they may get sued if they make a mistake or a wrongful/harmful public statemenet.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:27 am to Choupique19
quote:What? Whhhhhhaaattttt? So you are saying he is involved? I dont think you understand what no involvement means in terms of a murder case.
Anyone who at this point thinks that La'el has 100% no involvement in this case is being extremely naive. Not saying he broke a law, not saying he is the focal suspect, but there are 100s of us on this site that aren't being questioned by police for this case. We have 100% no involvement.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:28 am to Choupique19
quote:If that is the case then he has 100% no involvement
Here's to hoping La'el is just caught up as collateral damage in a bad situation
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