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Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:46 am to ProjectP2294
Another possibility (while we are speculating) is that Collins could know who did it but not be involved. That probably takes a lot of lawyering up to navigate through as well. What did you know, when did you know, etc.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:46 am to ProjectP2294
It's almost as if some people in this thread are under the impression that your constitutional right counsel is just a loophole to help guilty people get away with crimes. It's also there so innocent people have proper guidance and don't say something dumb that may unintentionally implicate themselves in a crime they didn't commit. It just blows my mind when people say it looks bad that someone hired an attorney. I am baffled people can be that ignorant.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:47 am to ProjectP2294
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Obviously. Whoever said not to bring a lawyer seems awfully naive.
Let me try to clarify what I meant.
I'm assuming Collins has ZERO involvement or connection to the murder.
Now if he argued with the victim about the pregnancy, or was friends with other people that had arguments with the girl (another boyfriend, for example), then yes, that's more dicey for Collins.
All my statements are based on the assumption that Collins didn't do it, the baby's not his, he didn't argue with the victim, had no recent communications with the victim, etc.
If any of that is different and Collins thinks the police can show motive or there's some link to something else, then yes, Collins should be more careful and should lawyer up.
Collins has a chance of a lifetime to be a multimillionaire, starting tonight. If he had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this, that's when I'd talk to the cops without the lawyer present so he can clear his name for the draft.
If he knows there's some linkage, then yes, the draft is effectively meaningless to him right now and he should focus on legal protection.
But I'm assuming he's innocent and should be in "draft protection" mode. I think NFL teams would see him "lawyering up" as a big negative.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:48 am to lsufball19
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It's almost as if some people in this thread are under the impression that your constitutional right counsel is just a loophole to help guilty people get away with crimes. It's also there so innocent people have proper guidance and don't say something dumb that may unintentionally implicate themselves in a crime they didn't commit. It just blows my mind when people say it looks bad that someone hired an attorney. I am baffled people can be that ignorant.
They are watching way to many cop shows.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:48 am to tigerskin
If he knows who did it and hasn't come forward yet he's a gone pecan.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:49 am to lsufball19
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yeah it's unfortunate, but being charged with murder would be much much worse
I agree
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no, he should be concerned because right now he may not know what the police know, and he has no idea what they may try to use against him. that's why you lawyer up and that;'s why you make damn sure to have your lawyer with you. you don't want any surprises and don;t want to answer any questions that may unjustifiably implicate you in the crime. again, this could send him to prison forever. you think losing a few million sucks, how bout losing your freedom forever or having to go through a murder trial. put things in perspective bud. yeah, if he didn't have anything to do with it, it sucks. but nothing good will come out of him trying to clear his name in the next 12 hours. it's just not going to happen. that's life. but right now, the most important thing and his main focus should be clearing his name thr right way, not rushing to try to get things cleared today, because that is not going to happen regardless
Again, I am not saying this is not a big deal, of course it is. He should do everything he can to clear his name. Also, I am not arguing the whole lawyering up angle, don't care about that really. But saying there should be absolutely no thought of his draft stock is naïve...unless he is guilty of something. In that case, football won't even be an option really.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:52 am to atltiger6487
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Let me try to clarify what I meant.
I'm assuming Collins has ZERO involvement or connection to the murder.
Now if he argued with the victim about the pregnancy, or was friends with other people that had arguments with the girl (another boyfriend, for example), then yes, that's more dicey for Collins.
All my statements are based on the assumption that Collins didn't do it, the baby's not his, he didn't argue with the victim, had no recent communications with the victim, etc.
If any of that is different and Collins thinks the police can show motive or there's some link to something else, then yes, Collins should be more careful and should lawyer up.
Collins has a chance of a lifetime to be a multimillionaire, starting tonight. If he had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this, that's when I'd talk to the cops without the lawyer present so he can clear his name for the draft.
If he knows there's some linkage, then yes, the draft is effectively meaningless to him right now and he should focus on legal protection.
But I'm assuming he's innocent and should be in "draft protection" mode. I think NFL teams would see him "lawyering up" as a big negative.
How can Collins be absolutely certain that the cops will be able to verify his non-involvement? He doesn't know what other people have told the police, he did at one time have a relationship with the victim, and if he had unprotected sex with her 7+ months ago then the baby could be his. No way should someone in his position (or really anyone when asked to come in for a murder investigation) not have a lawyer present.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:52 am to lsufball19
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It just blows my mind when people say it looks bad that someone hired an attorney. I am baffled people can be that ignorant.
Legally, of course it makes sense to hire an attorney. But also understand that I'm talking about initial questioning by police. In any investigation, they'll talk to many, many people to try to get an understanding of what was going on in the victim's life to try to identify some suspects. If Collins had a prior relationship with her, then of course the cops will want to talk to him, among others. Again, if my friend was murdered and police wanted to talk to me (and I'm completely innocent, which only I know) then I don't lawyer up for that. If the cops follow up and want to bring me in again, or I sense that I'm a suspect, of course I lawyer up.
But in this case, I'm talking the court of public opinion (or more accurately), the opinion of the NFL teams.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:54 am to atltiger6487
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In any investigation, they'll talk to many, many people to try to get an understanding of what was going on in the victim's life to try to identify some suspects.
this. they will speak with everyone and anyone about their relationship with the victim. they want as much information about the victim as possible to possibly make a list of potential suspects.
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:55 am to DirtyE
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But saying there should be absolutely no thought of his draft stock is naïve...unless he is guilty of something.
I'm sure if he had no involvement he's thinking, "this fricking sucks, I just lost millions because some denigrate murdered my ex girlfriend." However, being overly concerned about that right now is a waste of time. Honestly, that ship has sailed. This is not getting worked out this afternoon. Again, it sucks, but it is what it is. Thus, his number one and only concern, right now, should be doing exactly what his attorney tells him and concentrating on keeping his arse from being charged with murder, ESPECIALLY if he wasn't involved.
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:57 am to atltiger6487
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Again, if my friend was murdered and police wanted to talk to me (and I'm completely innocent, which only I know) then I don't lawyer up for that.
then you're very ignorant
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:00 am to lsufball19
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then you're very ignorant
the vast majority people initially questioned or interviewed in an investigation don't have a lawyer present.
when I say people interviewed or questioned that means they may or not be suspects at that time.
whether its smart or not people generally don't ask for a lawyer until they are arrested
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:00 am to Slapouttiger
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If he knows who did it and hasn't come forward yet he's a gone pecan.
I hope you didn't hurt yourself with that stretch.
What next?
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:01 am to lsufball19
Someone let me know if I am wrong, but I have not heard a statement from La'El, his agent, or his lawyer...correct?
This whole thing is crazy, but I would love to hear someone just say that he is innocent. The silence is a little deafening.
If wrong, sorry not reading all 20+ pages
This whole thing is crazy, but I would love to hear someone just say that he is innocent. The silence is a little deafening.
If wrong, sorry not reading all 20+ pages
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:05 am to tigerfan0082
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Someone let me know if I am wrong, but I have not heard a statement from La'El, his agent, or his lawyer...correct?
You're wrong
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:06 am to tigerfan0082
Pretty sure his lawyer has made a couple statements, saying they have an alibi and some witnesses its just the process of putting it all together and presenting it that's taking a while.
I think the cops know he didn't pull trigger, just gotta prove he wasn't involved in the planning...at least that's my take
I think the cops know he didn't pull trigger, just gotta prove he wasn't involved in the planning...at least that's my take
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:07 am to 68wDoc68w
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the vast majority people initially questioned or interviewed in an investigation don't have a lawyer present.
the vast majority of the people interviewed in most cases are ignorant to the judicial system and also generally cannot afford counsel. The state is not going to provide you with a public defender if you have not been charged with a crime. So, at the questioning stage of an investigation, yeah many people don't have an attorney present, because they simply can't.
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 10:08 am
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:07 am to tigerfan0082
Nothing today which is so strange for me. It's completely silent and the longer that goes the worse it's going to look for him. If he was done with the case, it would be known. If he was being questioned today and it was just for information to help the police, his camp would leak this information. Hopefully the next few hours brings a positive report.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:07 am to 68wDoc68w
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68wDoc68w
im still waiting for you to tell everyone when the police first contacted him
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