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re: UNLV QB quits immediately over NIL
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:05 am to IM_4_LSU
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:05 am to IM_4_LSU
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I really hope that this wasn't due to a NIL deal with another school that is fricking disgusting.
Who would jeopardize their program over a qb that is completing 21of 48 passes? That guy needs to be fired.
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:06 am to Adam Banks
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Seems like no one is lining up to get him in commercials or autographs etc which is what NIL is supposed to be.
He’s probably banking on getting overpayed to go play somewhere else in December or the Spring portal, where teams get desperate to find a QB.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:14 am to misey94
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NIL was enabled by a Supreme Court ruling, not any federal legislation. The laws governing NIL are state by state right now, but the ruling specifically forbids limiting the earning potential of student athletes, so any legislation or NCAA rule that has come close has been shot down.
Not exactly. The Alston decision didn’t address NIL. Kavanaugh’s opinion in the case made clear that the NCAA was fighting a losing battle, but the actual ruling in the Alston case didn’t force the NCAA to budge on NIL. The media (including the Amazon Prime documentary that came out recently) continues to repeat that it was the Supreme Court but that’s not really correct.
The first round of state-level NIL laws (forbidding universities from restricting athletes’ NIL earnings) coincidentally went into effect shortly after the Alston decision. That is what forced the NCAA’s hand. A whole bunch of schools were about to be forced to choose between complying with NCAA rules or state law. The NCAA’s interim NIL policy was released like a week before the state laws went into effect.
Not to say the SCOTUS ruling was inconsequential, though. It (and specifically Kavanaugh’s opinion) made clear that the NCAA was extremely vulnerable to future antitrust litigation. Meanwhile their lobbying efforts for federal legislation had stalled out at about the same time. A massive tide turned against the NCAA all at once and they likely would have been sued (and lost) over NIL if they hadn’t made the change. But the state laws forced them to give in when they did.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:25 am to lsufanva
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Let's not lose sight of who the bad guys are in NIL. It's the schools. 2 billion restitution for 100s of billions in profit over the last century seems to imply they got off light
do you know how incredibly short the list is of schools that have turned ANY profit at all in athletics?
and since this article is talking about UNLV specifically, they lost $10million for the 2023 fiscal year.
Runaway Deficits Projected for UNLV and UNR Intercollegiate Athletics
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For FY2023, UNLV reported an operating account deficit of $10 million
but go ahead and keep thinking these schools are just printing an endless supply of money.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:27 am to Allthatfades
NO CHEST!
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:37 am to Adam Banks
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It seems like to me he’s finding out his name image and likeness simply isn’t as valuable as he thinks it is.
Seems like no one is lining up to get him in commercials or autographs etc which is what NIL is supposed to be.
I guess we will find out Saturday. If Fresno rolls by 21+, Sluka's value shoots up immensely.
I've seen UNLV and Sluka play twice this year. He doesn't have great stats, but he's very valuable to that team. Whoever gets him is, at the very least, grabbing someone who can make plays and get the ball to guys in space without jeopardizing field position.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:41 am to Allthatfades
These need to be written contracts. frick the NCAA
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:47 am to Odysseus32
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I've seen UNLV and Sluka play twice this year. He doesn't have great stats, but he's very valuable to that team. Whoever gets him is, at the very least, grabbing someone who can make plays and get the ball to guys in space without jeopardizing field position.
I’m not discussing his value to the team.
I’m discussing the monetary value of his name image and likeness.
Jayden Daniels was getting national ads.
Garrett nussmeir has numerous local ads
Hell Major Burns has local ads for an urgent care (clever imo
) Seems like this guy still isn’t a big enough star even in nevada to justify paying money for endorsements.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:48 am to Nutriaitch
one of the big issues that makes everyone short sighted is that the only numbers that ever gets reported is the money coming in, and never the expenses of operating college athletics.
you see articles with headlines like:
NCAA generates nearly $1.3 billion in revenue
and you think "Jesus they're just raking in the money!"
and you have to read 5 paragraphs into that article to see:
and that $130 mil profit sound like a lot, doesn't it?
190,000 athletes participate in D1 sports.
divide that entire $130 mil amongst just those and each kid gets around $600.
extend that to include D2 and D3 and we're up to 325,00 athletes.
so each kid would get about 400 bucks.
hell, let's narrow it down to just Div1 football and mens basketball scholarship players.
15,665 kids
split that entire $130 mil among just those guys and each player gets a whopping $8,298.75
you see articles with headlines like:
NCAA generates nearly $1.3 billion in revenue
and you think "Jesus they're just raking in the money!"
and you have to read 5 paragraphs into that article to see:
quote:
The NCAA's expenses reached $1.17 billion
and that $130 mil profit sound like a lot, doesn't it?
190,000 athletes participate in D1 sports.
divide that entire $130 mil amongst just those and each kid gets around $600.
extend that to include D2 and D3 and we're up to 325,00 athletes.
so each kid would get about 400 bucks.
hell, let's narrow it down to just Div1 football and mens basketball scholarship players.
15,665 kids
split that entire $130 mil among just those guys and each player gets a whopping $8,298.75
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 8:43 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:51 am to Adam Banks
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I’m discussing the monetary value of his name image and likeness.
The monetary value of his name will skyrocket once people realize how valuable he was to UNLV.
People see UNLV get killed --> "What the hell happened" ---> People watch UNLV highlights w Sluka ------> See how fun he is to watch play and marketable he is -----> Hot commodity
I wouldn't be worried if I were Sluka. He's one of the more tough impressive QBs I've seen this year. He and Pavia. He's got a unique quality about him.
A lot of that depends on UNLV getting absolutely trashed by Fresno.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:52 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:51 am to Allthatfades
Remember when you use to play for the name on the chest?
Now it’s for the name on the back.
Whether it’s right or wrong that they get paid, amateur athletics is dead. This has become an employer/employee business and we all know how we would act if we weren’t getting paid.
Old college football = kid quit on his team
Present day semi pro football = kid wasn’t getting paid according to deal and stood up for himself.
Now it’s for the name on the back.
Whether it’s right or wrong that they get paid, amateur athletics is dead. This has become an employer/employee business and we all know how we would act if we weren’t getting paid.
Old college football = kid quit on his team
Present day semi pro football = kid wasn’t getting paid according to deal and stood up for himself.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:57 am to Allthatfades
This is happening in Las Vegas! Money and obligations by the boosters should not be an issue in LV, of all places. Something certainly reeks about this, and it sets a bad precedent. Not shocking though, and we’ll find out soon enough what’s going on.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:00 am to Nutriaitch
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do you know how incredibly short the list is of schools that have turned ANY profit at all in athletics?
So I’m not addressing UNLV specifically here - but, the incredibly short list of profitable college athletic departments needs some context.
We aren’t talking about for-profit corporations. We are talking about nonprofit institutions. Even the “profitable” athletic departments don’t actually create profit. They transfer excess revenue to the university, who then spends it. There are a ton of programs that are not “profitable” simply because they would rather spend their money within the athletic department than transfer it back to the university.
As a result, expenses rise to match revenues. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s why we have football programs spending $15+ million on coaching staffs. It’s why the “facilities war” has happened.
In 2007, LSU’s athletic revenue was $65.5 million. In 2023 it was $181.5 million. That’s a 177% revenue increase, compared to 52% inflation over the same period. Total expenses grew from $59 million to $185.5 million over the same time period. A 214% increase. Again compared to 52% inflation. They are spending more money because they have more money.
If you look at football salaries and wages, specifically, they grew from $2.9 million in 2007 to $21.1 million in 2023. That’s a 628% increase. Now you can argue that the market has changed and that’s true. But the market has changed because everyone* has more money. It’s going to be spent somewhere, and coaches have been the biggest beneficiaries.
*This is where you run into the difference with programs like UNLV. The gulf between the power-conference programs and everyone else has been widening, with TV contracts being a huge driver. But there are still a lot of power-conference programs. It’s not like we are talking about 2-3 universities.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:01 am to LSUcajun77
This guy played four years at Holy Cross. He stayed at Holy Cross until he graduated.
He missed spring practice at UNLV to do that.
He enterred UNLV as a grad student, and won the QB job in fall camp. He hadn’t been at UNLV that long. 4 months maybe?
Apparently he was promised some things and he isn’t getting what he was promised.
It’s a complicated situation. It’s not like he’s been at UNLV long. He played elsewhere for four years and stayed there and graduated. I think someone in the dessert really screwed him over.
He missed spring practice at UNLV to do that.
He enterred UNLV as a grad student, and won the QB job in fall camp. He hadn’t been at UNLV that long. 4 months maybe?
Apparently he was promised some things and he isn’t getting what he was promised.
It’s a complicated situation. It’s not like he’s been at UNLV long. He played elsewhere for four years and stayed there and graduated. I think someone in the dessert really screwed him over.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:02 am to Odysseus32
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The monetary value of his name will skyrocket once people realize how valuable he was to UNLV.
skyrocket?
UNLV averages less than 25,000 attendance per game.
outside of their small fan base, how many people in America can even name their starting QB without using Google (prior to this article)?
there isn’t much value there.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:04 am to lsufanva
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And what should the player's recourse be should it play out the school is completely in the wrong?
If he has a contract, there is legal recourse. This makes me believe he doesn’t.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:04 am to Nutriaitch
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you see articles with headlines like:
NCAA generates nearly $1.3 billion in revenue for 2022-23
and you think "Jesus they're just raking in the money!"
and you have to read 5 paragraphs into that article to see:quote:
The NCAA's expenses reached $1.17 billion
and that $130 mil profit sound like a lot, doesn't it?
190,000 athletes participate in D1 sports.
divide that entire $130 mil amongst just those and each kid gets around $600.
Again, the NCAA is a nonprofit. They had $1.17 billion in expenses because the vast majority of their revenue was distributed back to universities. Their expenses will rise to meet their revenues no matter how much money they make.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:08 am to Allthatfades
I am surprised these schools aren’t getting non-competes on the high dollar athletes. If they are shelling out big bucks and spending money on development, they should be able to protect their investments.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:08 am to Nutriaitch
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there isn’t much value there.
Okay
It's not really about the average American and what they can name about what team, IMO.
It's about the talent, a coach wanting a guy, and then the school working with their NIL collective or community sponsorship to get them a deal. Without much more info, it seems like Sluka was told he would be getting more in terms of sponsorships than he currently is.
IMO, (again) if Fresno throttles UNLV, Sluka will find a nice home at a P5 school that needs a QB where there might be more money coming through the door.
If Vandy can somehow find 8 wins on their schedule, watch what happens to Diego Pavia in terms of exposure.
Maybe we just disagree here. I think the public knowing who Sluka is right now is almost inconsequential to his NIL potential in the next couple of years.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:12 am to mjax57
well if you showed up to work and found out they weren't paying you or just decided to pay you less, what would you do?
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