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re: Trey Watkins given his walking papers by Mainieri
Posted on 6/1/11 at 10:35 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 6/1/11 at 10:35 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Your point isn't even valid, athletic scholarships aren't 4 year things any more (someone addressed that already). And if you honestly think the coaches are going to keep a kid just so they can get their degree then you are naive. It's a business now, that's just how it works
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 10:37 pm to Tigerfan7218
Ok. You realize you're just rehashing what's already been gone over by everybody in this thread the past 3 pages.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 10:40 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Sorry, haven't read the entire thread, read the first few pages this afternoon, went eat with some family tonight and came back and read the last 2 pages.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 10:41 pm to Jwho77
I know this has already been said but I think mainieri is teetering on making a tough decision and being a piece of crap with this move. Watkins has the talent anyone who saw him preinjury could see that...The fact that hes gotten no coaching is not his fault. He has not shown any signs of laziness etc. The past two years we haven been talking about how the baseball team's talent is young, but since we won the CWS there has been no player development at all and with this move we lose a guy who could provide senior leadership and a definite role as a runner if they cant work out the kinks in his swing.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 10:44 pm to moneyg
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It's weak because it's meaningless. How many two year starters hit .225 on a team with the expectations of LSU? I'll save you the trouble...there aren't many.
If he is good enough to start for LSU, that says something. More of a knock on PM than Watkins.
He obviously, as a 2 year starter, could be a viable option off the bench. That is pretty clear.
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You simply don't understand how college baseball works
ok quote:
Guys who simply won't contribute and don't have upside don't hang around.
so lets see, would you agree we should cut
Alex Edward
Beau Didier
Jordy Snikerkis
Spencer Ware
Grant Dozar
samuel peterson
jimmy dykstra
tyler jones
man, Coach Paul is going to be one busy man this year cutting all the kids he couldnt develop.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 6/1/11 at 10:48 pm to Lester Earl
Yeah, there is actually a good chance half of those won't be back.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:04 pm to StanleyB
quote:I completely agree. This is bullshite
If PM plays this game, I don't see how he has the right to throw a fit when a hs kid signs a contract after telling him that he was coming to LSU. PM is a hypocrite
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:05 pm to Lester Earl
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so lets see, would you agree we should cut
As I stated before, we should cut any of those guys who Mainieri believes do not have enough upside to keep around.
There are some on your list that meet that standard IMO.
It is ridiculous to put a guy like Tyler Jones on that list.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:06 pm to moneyg
tyler jones is all but gone from several sources.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:08 pm to moneyg
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It is ridiculous to put a guy like Tyler Jones on that list.
Why? Because he's talented but underperformed?
How is Watkins different? Watkins is definitely talented and athletic but underachieved. Hell, at least Watkins didn't get suspended preseason for stealing from the Union though.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:10 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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How is Watkins different?
good point Geroge
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:11 pm to Lester Earl
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tyler jones is all but gone from several sources.
Yes. But, for different reasons. The guy has tons of talent and potential.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:11 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
I agree that Jones underperformed and will not be back, but Watkins doesn't have anywhere near the upside. The draft will show that.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:14 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Why? Because he's talented but underperformed?
How is Watkins different? Watkins is definitely talented and athletic but underachieved. Hell, at least Watkins didn't get suspended preseason for stealing from the Union though.
Watkins is a guy who can't hit for average, was unable to field his position, and whose on base pct has fallen off the table. What role could he fill?
Jones is a guy who consistently throws 92+ and has shown flashes of dominance.
If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:16 pm to MOT
Maybe ... maybe not. Physically you're probably right, but Jones' immaturity could hold him back. I don't see that as a problem for Watkins.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:19 pm to moneyg
The difference is they play different positions.
I doubt Jones can hit or field for shite ...
I bet Watkins can't pitch.
The point is, Watkins is a field player and you listed how he underachieved on the field.
Oh, but you grossed over how Jones underachieved as a pitcher. So I ask you, if Jones can't pitch for shite, what role does he fill?
I doubt Jones can hit or field for shite ...
I bet Watkins can't pitch.
The point is, Watkins is a field player and you listed how he underachieved on the field.
Oh, but you grossed over how Jones underachieved as a pitcher. So I ask you, if Jones can't pitch for shite, what role does he fill?
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:19 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
You could be right about the immaturity part. I've never heard or read much about either of them (other than the Jones incident) and have no idea what kind of teammates or locker room guys they are.
But looking strictly at talent and upside, there is really no comparison.
But looking strictly at talent and upside, there is really no comparison.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:21 pm to Jwho77
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Trey Watkins given his walking papers by Mainieri
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:21 pm to MOT
I agree, but Mainieri is cutting Watkins for underachieving, not lack of potential. But I see your point for sure.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:23 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Oh, but you grossed over how Jones underachieved as a pitcher. So I ask you, if Jones can't pitch for shite, what role does he fill?
Like I said before...he has potential.
If there weren't any separate issues on Jones, I wouldn't even think about letting him go. His stuff is clearly a notch above the large majority of our pitching staff.
It seems like you and I just disagree on the relative potential of Jones and Watkins. Like I said, if you don't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
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