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Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:39 pm to RummelTiger
Rummy, have you ever seen so many uninformed (read that: 'clueless') posters in one thread? Three weeks ago half of this board wanted PM to permanently bench Watkins. Now Trey is suddenly the best hitter and outfielder in LSU history. 
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:41 pm to LSURussian
but it's so unethical to cut a player who isn't very good!! 
and the coaching staff should be apologizing to him for sucking!!! 
and the coaching staff should be apologizing to him for sucking!!! Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:43 pm to biglsubbfan
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very unethical move by Mainieri - proves what kind of guy he is
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:43 pm to LSUzealot
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:44 pm to LSURussian
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Rummy, have you ever seen so many uninformed (read that: 'clueless') posters in one thread? Three weeks ago half of this board wanted PM to permanently bench Watkins. Now Trey is suddenly the best hitter and outfielder in LSU history.
Could you imagine the shite-storm Les could cause by telling JJ to join Trey?
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:45 pm to LSUzealot
Horrible by Mainieri if true. They are kids, not professional athletes.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:47 pm to RummelTiger
True.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:54 pm to Lester Earl
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Well, do you know of many players who start for 2 years then get cut as a SR? What is weak about that?
I can save you the trouble, and tell you there aren't many.
It's weak because it's meaningless. How many two year starters hit .225 on a team with the expectations of LSU? I'll save you the trouble...there aren't many.
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My only guess is it was mutual. PM told him he may be a bench player next year and Watkins agreed to leave. I dont believe PM has that little respect for his players to just cut him like that without it being mutual, or him being a discipline problem
You simply don't understand how college baseball works. Guys who simply won't contribute and don't have upside don't hang around.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:57 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Horrible by Mainieri if true. They are kids, not professional athletes.
:notsureifserious:
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:57 pm to Lester Earl
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can you cite other coaches that have dumped 2 year starters going into their last season?
No, but most coaches aren't under the pressure that PM is at a place like LSU. You think fans of the Oklahoma or Tennessee baseball programs care if a sucky player is starting and hurting the team? It is a shame that a kid is cut going into his Sr. year. The fact that he has been a starter makes me think there is more going on here (like work ethic, attitude, or something). Was he even given the option to stay on the team and pay his own way?
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:04 pm to LSUzealot
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oh give me a break. this is college fricking baseball
Yeah and it's a full time job. The kids work their assess off all year long. Weight room, practice, meeting with tutors .... you name it. They essentially give a huge part of their life to LSU. So someone like you, Zealot, can hopefully enjoy LSU baseball.
As coaches, part of your job is to work with a kid. Continue to work with kids when they struggle. That's your job. And in 4 years you hope they get it. Sometimes they don't but you don't just cut kids, and take away their tuition, because they struggle on the field. That's not coaching, that's being a jackass. It's taking away what it is to be a coach and essentially giving up and taking the easy way out. Not to mention, possibly taking away a state universtiy degree from a student if they can't afford that somewhere else thus damaging a kid's future.
It's a jackass move .... and Mainieri is a jackass if it's true. It's not professional athletics - they are student athletes.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:06 pm to Tiger in NY
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You think fans of the Oklahoma or Tennessee baseball programs care if a sucky player is starting and hurting the team?
Too bad so sad. The kid was recruited by LSU ... the coach should have to live with his
A. bad decision
B. lack of developing talent
not take the easy way out and screw the kid over.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:08 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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eah and it's a full time job. The kids work their assess off all year long. Weight room, practice, meeting with tutors .... you name it. They essentially give a huge part of their life to LSU. So someone like you, Zealot, can hopefully enjoy LSU baseball
Yeah, I get that, but if they don't perform - is the coach expected to just eat the position and call it a loss?
I get what you're saying, but are you saying that, performance-wise, no player should be cut from a team?
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:09 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
I completely disagree. As bad as I feel for the kid, IF he was offered a chance to stay as a non-scholly, then them's the breaks. He can get Financial Aid like 75% of every other student in the country.
If he was completely cut from the team without even being given the option to pay his own way and be a bench player, then I think that's rough unless he was a problem.
BTW, I say this as someone who was cut from a college baseball team and had to transfer. I worked my arse off, but there were better players. Call it a life lesson.
If he was completely cut from the team without even being given the option to pay his own way and be a bench player, then I think that's rough unless he was a problem.
BTW, I say this as someone who was cut from a college baseball team and had to transfer. I worked my arse off, but there were better players. Call it a life lesson.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:10 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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As coaches, part of your job is to work with a kid. Continue to work with kids when they struggle. That's your job. And in 4 years you hope they get it. Sometimes they don't but you don't just cut kids, and take away their tuition, because they struggle on the field. That's not coaching, that's being a jackass. It's taking away what it is to be a coach and essentially giving up and taking the easy way out. Not to mention, possibly taking away a state universtiy degree from a student if they can't afford that somewhere else thus damaging a kid's future.
Every single kid on the baseball team knows that they are not guaranteed a spot on the roster for 4 years.
You just don't understand how it works.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:14 pm to moneyg
Academic scholarships are revoked when students don't keep their grades up, why should athletics be any different?
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:16 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
This is an unfortunate situation, no question about it. But were you complaining about this when we went to the CWS in 08 and won it 09?
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:17 pm to RummelTiger
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I get what you're saying, but are you saying that, performance-wise, no player should be cut from a team?
I say if it's strictly performance a kid should not be cut.
If it's a Chris Garrett situation where the kid obviously didn't take care of himself ... or if a guy broke team rules or whatever fine. But performance alone, no ... a coach should never take away a scholly. Bad play doesn't warrant that. You make a commitment to a kid. When you recruit them you tell them: we want you to come to LSU and get a degree. Not, we want you to come to LSU and if you do well, we'll renew your scholarship for another year.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:19 pm to MOT
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This is an unfortunate situation, no question about it. But were you complaining about this when we went to the CWS in 08 and won it 09?
I may have, depending on the situation. Again, i think a coach should have to own up to his mistake of either making a bad recruiting decision or not developing a kid. But taking the easy road and cutting him is BS. Who's to say the kid behind him will be improved or that Watkins won't be better next year. You're cutting a kid's financial aid on a gamble.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 9:21 pm
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