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To compare: Pearl had a combined 16 SEC in his first 3 years at Auburn. Barnes had 6 wins and 8 wins in his first two seasons at Tennessee. Wade won 8 SEC games in his first year at LSU. He then won 16 games in year 2...which was as many as Pearl won in his first 3 seasons and more than Barnes won in his first 2 seasons.

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Are you going to try to claim that those schools had better talent than LSU?

Likewise, Musselman would be the best comparison to Wade but is only in year 3 of his SEC career. Of course he made the Elite 8 last year and has a better SEC record this year. Nate Oats would equally shame Wade but of course you disqualify both coaches by going back 4 year. Not 5 years. Not 3 years. Just 4 years.

So why you can arbitrarily dismiss other programs, the question posed by the poster was the records of other coaches since Wade got to LSU. Of course it was a poor question and the Wade fans jumped to defend him anyway.

But let's look at last year and this year, since it brings Musselman and Nate Oats (also in year 3) into the mix:

SEC Record this year and last:
Eric Musselman: 21-7
Nate Oats: 21-8
Rick Barnes: 18-10
Bruce Pearl: 17-11
John Calipari: 17-11
Will Wade: 16-12
Mike White: 15-12

Who wants Wade fired , is there a definitive list & people ready to come forward & admit this directly?

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The question I've asked many times on this board, and never received an answer, is whether Saban would be judged a success at Alabama if he were to go 9-3 for the next 5 years. It's certainly still much better than his predecessor, and it would likely be better than all other SEC coaches over that 5 year period.

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Wade came in with virtually no expectations in year 1. In fact, LSU was picked to finish last in the SEC in the preseason. He exceed that. He then significantly level jumped in year 2 by leading LSU to its first SEC title in 10 years and best (regular) season in nearly 40 years. That far exceeded anyone's expectations for the program at that time. Thus, he built up a ton of goodwill. In the past two seasons he (would have) reached the NCAAT both years. Given the expectations for the program relative to the 3 decades prior, people were fine with that. This season LSU was exceeding expectations again before going on the recent slide.

Should LSU get an 8 seed in the NCAAT and bow out in the 2nd round there will start to come a time where that result isn't good enough. But given the roughly 30 year period that preceded Wade's arrival, the program is not at the point were just making the NCAAT isn't "good enough."

It is no different than when people weren't losing their minds in 2002 when LSU went 8-4 after winning the SEC the year prior. Was it a step back from the year prior? Yes. But given the decade that preceded Saban's arrival the yearly expectations of the program had not become exceedingly high yet.

I'm just simply pointing out that in that 5 year period you listed it included Wade's first season at LSU where he was tasked with rebuilding the program. The other guys weren't in their first seasons. If you wanted to make an apples to apples comparison Wade performed better in his first year at LSU than Pearl did in his first year at Auburn and Barnes did in his first year at Tenn.

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Are you going to try to claim that those schools had better talent than LSU?

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In year one of Wade's tenure, yes. Both Tennessee and Auburn tied for the SEC title that season. They were more talented.

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Likewise, Musselman would be the best comparison to Wade but is only in year 3 of his SEC career. Of course he made the Elite 8 last year and has a better SEC record this year. Nate Oats would equally shame Wade but of course you disqualify both coaches by going back 4 year. Not 5 years. Not 3 years. Just 4 years.

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The post I was responding to said "now do 4 years". Which I did, bozo. And as I said in my original post "you can manipulate the data to get whatever result you want."

That said, I don't see how Oats would "equally shame Wade." He finished 8-10 in his first year, as did Wade. He finished 16-2 with and SEC Championship and Sweet 16 run...as did Wade. His Alabama team is currently 5-6...as is LSU.

Same for Musselman. In year 1 at Ark he went 7-11. In year 2 they went 13-4 with an Elite 8 appearance (of course, it helps when you get to play a 15 seed to advance to the Elite Eight instead of the 2 seed Michigan St. team LSU lost to in 2019). He's now having a solid year 3, though maybe not as good as last season.

It is hard to truly compare them because they have all started in different spots. All three guys have had a similar trajectory in their first 3 seasons. They won 7-8 games in year one. Had a great season in year two. And regressed a bit from that season (maybe more in Alabama's case) in year 3.

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peachy merely because a coach is better than his predecessor.

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Things arent peachy because hes better than johnny jones, things are peachy because we are a constant sec contender and going to the tourny nearly every year.

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I'm just simply pointing out that in that 5 year period you listed it included Wade's first season at LSU where he was tasked with rebuilding the program.

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I was asked to compare other coaches to Wade "since he got here". The 5 year period is that time frame bozo.

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In year one of Wade's tenure, yes. Both Tennessee and Auburn tied for the SEC title that season. They were more talented.

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Now you are just making crap up. I was clearly referring to the 3 year timeframe YOU mentioned and I QUOTED.

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hat said, I don't see how Oats would "equally shame Wade." He finished 8-10 in his first year, as did Wade. He finished 16-2 with and SEC Championship and Sweet 16 run...as did Wade. His Alabama team is currently 5-6...as is LSU.

Same for Musselman. In year 1 at Ark he went 7-11. In year 2 they went 13-4 with an Elite 8 appearance (of course, it helps when you get to play a 15 seed to advance to the Elite Eight instead of the 2 seed Michigan St. team LSU lost to in 2019). He's now having a solid year 3, though maybe not as good as last season.

It is hard to truly compare them because they have all started in different spots. All three guys have had a similar trajectory in their first 3 seasons. They won 7-8 games in year one. Had a great season in year two. And regressed a bit from that season (maybe more in Alabama's case) in year 3.

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I could argue that last year and this year LSU has had more talent than both of those teams. And Wade is in year 5 while those two are in year 3 (in which the first year was a Covid year).

Show me in the record books where Wade has more than 1 win. Do we want to use facts, or just guess?

Ok I'll guess. After this year.

Pearl 12
Cal 8
Barnes 4
Wade 1

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Ok I'll guess.

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Heres the thing, no gives two shits about your uneducated guess or any other bullshite you post on here.

Its really quite sad and i almost feel bad for pointing it out.

Why dont you go ahead and take a look at all the replies to you in all the threads youve posted in today and gain some self awareness.