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re: Tom Shatel: Shorter dimensions could bring balance to TDA Park

Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:27 pm to
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:27 pm to
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Sorry, should have made it clear that I wasn't directing that toward anyone. Just adding my two cents.


No big deal.

I know that most people don't understand how lower seams would help, only that they would.
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 7:28 pm
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:29 pm to
My work is done.
Not only did ell explain it perfectly, he also provided a link proving the physics. As usual ell proves he is one of the few people who really know what they are talking about all the time on here.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:31 pm to
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It is only 5 feet bigger than Alex Box and no one is crying about how huge LSU is and how it's ruining the college game.

Wrong.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:34 pm to
Lines 5 feet
Power alley 10 feet
Centerfield 3 feet

That was fun
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127246 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:40 pm to
You obviously don't comprehend the whole shape of TDAS' fence concept.

The fences take an abrupt veer away from the plate starting before the power alleys begin which makes them play much further away than a symetrical, gradual moving away from home plate of the Alex Box outfield.

Stay ignorant if it makes you feel better.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:42 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 7:50 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44337 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:46 pm to
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You obviously don't comprehend the whole shape of TDAS' fence concept.


The biggest problem with TD Ameritrade is the wind. 90% of the time the wind there is going to be blowing in or across.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:48 pm to
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The biggest problem with TD Ameritrade is the wind. 90% of the time the wind there is going to be blowing in or across.

Bingo. It plays bigger because there is never any carry in that park. The wind conditions are drastically different than Rosenblatt was. I really don't see what is so difficult to understand about that.
Posted by LSUzealot
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:50 pm to
It's bullshite because the CF's play at 200 feet.

And I've never seen more balls crushed the center be routine outs.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:59 pm to
the wind conditions ARE different

a better ball would solve a lot of issues

check this out:

quote:

Jack Leggett says 'third-tier, raised-seam' baseballs taking the life out of college game
Clemson coach leading push to get more lively and affordable minor league baseballs for collegiate competition


By Dale Capps

Saturday, February 9, 2013

When college baseball adopted the use of a less lively bat a couple of seasons back, it began a small-ball culture that has dramatically reduced the frequency of home runs, and in Clemson coach Jack Leggett’s view, too much of the game’s natural excitement.

Accepting that the bats aren’t currently negotiable, and desiring through simple physics to inject some variety and voltage back into the college game, Leggett is spearheading a campaign to incorporate the minor league baseball as the replacement for the raised-seam ball that the NCAA is currently using.

“I’m trying to lead a push to get the minor league baseball,” Leggett confirmed. “The major league baseball is the tightest-wound with the hardest core. It has low seams and it’s such a hard baseball, they haven’t even put the specs out on it. So the next one down is the minor league ball, and the minor league ball is a little harder core than our ball that we use in the NCAA, but less than the major league ball.

“We play with a raised seam, right now, and it would be like using a third-tier ball in college football or basketball, and it doesn’t make any sense to me. We could use a better baseball. It’s not going to be like balls are flying out, but with a little less resistance, it would be like hitting a golf ball without seams. A golf ball with seams is not going to go anywhere. If the wind’s blowing in, those seams kind of grab the air a little bit and it’s almost like a parachute effect.”

Leggett pointed out that a new baseball – which could be in use as early as next year - is a more economical alternative to renovating ballparks by bringing the fences closer in.

“It’s something that could be financially feasible for college baseball,” he said. “I’ve talked with the people at Rawlings about it, and I think it would be good for our game, instead of spending all the money on people bringing their fences in, which they’re doing throughout the country. They’re not going to change the bats, but I think the ball could be an advantage because the seams are lower.”

Noting how the long-ball is such an important and exciting part of the game, Leggett sees college baseball somewhat counter-intuitively resisting the accelerated trends of other sports.

“I think the home run’s part of the game,” said Leggett. “In the major leagues, it’s a big deal to hit a ball to center-field or opposite-field. I’m not sure I can count on one hand any home runs I saw to center-field in any ballpark we played at, or to the opposite-field, all last year. So I think the new ball is something we need to move to, and something I’ve been pushing.

“I don’t know why we went backwards to begin with. I have trouble understanding that, and a lot of the coaches I’ve reached out to feel the same way. Other sports are going to the opposite side of things. There’s no huddle anymore, the hash-marks are in the middle. Everything’s predicated around trying to score more points and having more excitement.

"In basketball you have a shot-clock for a reason. You have the three-point line, and you’re allowed to dunk for a reason. They’re trying to bring more people into the stands and have some excitement. I know that baseball’s a traditional game, and I like to bunt and I like to run the bases, and pitching and defense are great. But at the same time, there’s an excitement factor that we could get back to a little bit more.”

While Leggett understands that safety issues are the basis of the changes to the college game, he favors a more measured approach that won’t sacrifice such a key part of baseball’s appeal.

“It’s about the exit-velocity, and doing these studies and making sure everybody’s safe, and that kind of thing,” he explained. “But the exit-velocity I’ve seen off the major league bat with the major league ball, for them to be able to hit the ball as far as they do to center-field and right-field, they’re not worried about exit-velocity.

“I would never want to diminish what college baseball’s all about, because it’s an awesome game. But I will say there’s less emphasis on the home run and the excitement, and it becomes a little different way of coaching, as well as watching.

"They only had nine home runs in Omaha last year in the sixteen games they played. That’s unusual. Somebody needs to analyze that and figure out what we can do. You have a home run hitting contest out there, and nobody can hit one out.”


written in february
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 8:00 pm
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3798 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:03 pm to
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Fences had nothing to do with losing to UNC.


Really? LSU would have beaten UCLA 4-2 if the fences were in 10 feet closer.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:03 pm to
Maybe you misunderstood me, not really sure how though, but I have said the entire thread that changing the ball will solve a lot of the offensive issues. TD Ameritrade does not need changing.
Posted by Thunder Tiger
Member since Sep 2011
2608 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:04 pm to
Well, Shatel, Leggett, and Kyle Peterson must all just be butthurt. There's nothing to see here - adjust!
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:06 pm to
1. I said it had nothing to do with losing to UNC and you said we would have beaten UCLA. Learn how to read and then try to make an intelligent argument.

2. If college baseball used a baseball like the professionals use with lower seams, we would have beaten UCLA. The fences don't need adjusting.
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 8:07 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44337 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:09 pm to
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If college baseball used a baseball like the professionals use with lower seams, we would have beaten UCLA. The fences don't need adjusting.


I agree we would have scored more runs. At least one of Ibarra's would have gone out (probably both), and Stevenson gave one a ride that may have left the yard too.

But we don't know that we would have beaten UCLA.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:11 pm to
Fair enough. UCLA may have received some benefit. I was getting at, all things being equal, the same home runs this guy was saying we would have with the fence being 10 feet closer, we would have also had with the baseball with lower seams. The ball would be more impactful than moving the fence in by 10 feet.
Posted by tigger42day
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Member since Oct 2004
7126 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:11 pm to
We went to the first 8 games, the wind blew in or was dead almost the whole time. Katz's HR was hit in a short period where the wind blew out. A couple of minutes earlier or later and it would have died like Ibarra's two shots.

TD Ameritrade was build on the wrong axis for the current bat/ball combination. The HR numbers are showing it...
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44337 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:16 pm to
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Fair enough. UCLA may have received some benefit. I was getting at, all things being equal, the same home runs this guy was saying we would have with the fence being 10 feet closer, we would have also had with the baseball with lower seams. The ball would be more impactful than moving the fence in by 10 feet.


Plus changing the baseballs would be 100x cheaper.
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3798 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:19 pm to
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1. I said it had nothing to do with losing to UNC and you said we would have beaten UCLA. Learn how to read and then try to make an intelligent argument.


Well, LSU wouldn't even have been playing UNC in an elimination game if they had beaten UCLA.

I agree with you that changing the ball is the solution, not bringing in the fences. It's a lot cheaper and quicker fix. But I just wanted to point out the fences made a huge difference in LSU's success at the 2013 CWS.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85309 posts
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:20 pm to
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Plus changing the baseballs would be 100x cheaper.


Wouldn't cost hardly anything different. They have to purchase balls regardless.
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