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re: Today is the 109th anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun...
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:10 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this matter beyond a laughing emoji.
I don’t believe that there was an actual manifestation of the Virgin Mary here, nor do I believe that the sun danced around the sky.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:25 pm to Mo Jeaux
That's all fine and dandy. However, the odds of the children telling the authorities that a "sign" would be given at a specific time on a specific date and that "sign" actually being seen by tens of thousands of people - to include skeptical reporters and state officials - at that very time and on that very date are very remote. Clearly these people saw something.
Here's a 1957 interview from one of the witnesses:
Here's a 1957 interview from one of the witnesses:
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:26 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I don’t believe that there was an actual manifestation of the Virgin Mary here, nor do I believe that the sun danced around the sky.
I gathered that much. What I’m interested in is your thoughts on the fact an estimated 70,000 people allegedly witnessed this event, an event children had told them in advance would take place.
Did they all make it up?
Mass hallucination?
Aliens?
I’m not trying to call you out or start some sort of pissing match. I’m genuinely curious of the rationale of those who entirely dismiss things like this. There has to be a logic that drives your conclusion. That’s what I'm asking about.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:32 pm to Missouri Waltz
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It happened and over 70,000 people witnessed it.
I've always been a bit confounded by the fact that Jesus performed utterly fantastic miracles directly in front of people and utterly fantastic miracles continued for nearly 2000 years... until people started carrying video cameras in their pockets. Then all of a sudden, poof, no more utterly fantastic miracles. Now all we get are "miracles" with perfectly mundane possible explanations.
Seems fundamentally unfair that people in the past had so much more on which to base their "faith" than people do now.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:35 pm to RollTide1987
Crying shame they didnt aim the camera at the sky.
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:44 pm to Darth_Vader
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I gathered that much. What I’m interested in is your thoughts on the fact an estimated 70,000 people allegedly witnessed this event, an event children had told them in advance would take place. Did they all make it up? Mass hallucination? Aliens? I’m not trying to call you out or start some sort of pissing match. I’m genuinely curious of the rationale of those who entirely dismiss things like this. There has to be a logic that drives your conclusion. That’s what I'm asking about.
There is a logic that drives my conclusion. Logic. I bet you easily dismiss miracles of other religious beliefs. If you do so, why do you do so? What would motivate those people to “make up” what they experienced?
First of all, I doubt that 70,000 people witnessed this event, but assuming 70k say that they did, I would imagine there are numerous reasons for them to do so. Mass hysteria, mass hallucinations, not wanting to be left out, some are outright lying. You name it.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:46 pm to Sams Crow
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Crying shame they didnt aim the camera at the sky.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:48 pm to Missouri Waltz
Wood Stock had similar experiences
Posted on 10/13/26 at 3:54 pm to RollTide1987
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That's all fine and dandy. However, the odds of the children telling the authorities that a "sign" would be given at a specific time on a specific date and that "sign" actually being seen by tens of thousands of people - to include skeptical reporters and state officials - at that very time and on that very date are very remote.
Yes, the odds of all that happening are very remote.
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Clearly these people saw something.
I don’t know why you’d automatically go to this conclusion.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:04 pm to Mo Jeaux
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There is a logic that drives my conclusion. Logic.
What I’m asking is for you to lay out said logic.
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I bet you easily dismiss miracles of other religious beliefs. If you do so, why do you do so? What would motivate those people to “make up” what they experienced?
That’s a deflection, but I’ll humor you. What specific miracle are you betting I’ve dismissed. And what evidence is there to support the claim of said miracle?
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First of all, I doubt that 70,000 people witnessed this event, but assuming 70k say that they did, I would imagine there are numerous reasons for them to do so. Mass hysteria, mass hallucinations, not wanting to be left out, some are outright lying. You name it.
Considering how much documentation there is for this alleged miracle, why would you doubt that 70,000 people witnessed it? As for the other explanations, what do you suppose could cause 70,000 people to have roughly the same, or even similar, hallucinations or hysteria at the same time, especially if many of them were either skeptical or outright hostile to the notion of anything supernatural?
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:06 pm to DownSouthJukin
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O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen.
For those who do not know that is the prayer given to us by Our Lady of Fatima.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:08 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I don’t believe that there was an actual manifestation of the Virgin Mary here, nor do I believe that the sun danced around the sky.
If it did not happen then it was the greatest case of mass hysteria in human history.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:13 pm to Missouri Waltz
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If it did not happen then it was the greatest case of mass hysteria in human history.
Really?
I mean if you had said this so casually about something like the Taiping Rebellion, which resulted in the deaths or 30 million people, I may not be inclined to disagree with you. But to say this about an event that no one but very religious Catholics believe even happened is a little silly.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:17 pm to Darth_Vader
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Considering how much documentation there is for this alleged miracle, why would you doubt that 70,000 people witnessed it?
I’ve noticed here and in the Noah’s Ark thread that your standard for documentation is pretty loose for things that verify your religious beliefs. Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:18 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Staring at the sun for several seconds expecting something to happen can make many see it "dancing" and shimmering, etc. Id bet the ones who saw nothing didn't look up at it in anticipation.
First of all, I doubt that 70,000 people witnessed this event, but assuming 70k say that they did, I would imagine there are numerous reasons for them to do so. Mass hysteria, mass hallucinations, not wanting to be left out, some are outright lying. You name it.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:19 pm to Missouri Waltz
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If it did not happen then it was the greatest case of mass hysteria in human history.
That’s what I’m wondering about. How can they many people have the same hallucination, delusion, or hysteria (call it whichever you like) at the same time?
And, furthermore, how did that mass whatever happen at the exact time three children said in advance it would happen?
Does it sound impossible for the sun to dance across the sky while a woman appears floating in the air?
Absolutely it does.
Does it sound equally impossible for 70,000 to dream all of this up?
Absolutely it does.
So, no matter what side of the matter you fall on, it requires a blind faith in things that seem impossible and have nothing logical to back them up.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:21 pm to Darth_Vader
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Does it sound equally impossible for 70,000 to dream all of this up?
You’re really tied up on this number. Do we actually have 70,000 documented instances of people (verified to have been there) who swear to what they saw? I seriously doubt that we do.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
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First of all, I doubt that 70,000 people witnessed this event, but assuming 70k say that they did, I would imagine there are numerous reasons for them to do so. Mass hysteria, mass hallucinations, not wanting to be left out, some are outright lying. You name it.
This is not logic at all. This is speculation.
Surely if there were mass hysteria, mass hallucinations, fear of missing out, and/or outright lying, then studies would have been performed over the years to rule out the miracle and rule in the these events. Out of the estimated 50,000 to 70,000 present, there certainly would have been many coming forward after the fact to say that they lied about what they saw or were mistaken in their belief? Right? 50,000 to 70,000 people is a lot of people to keep the lie going. Granted, some reported to have seen nothing in the sky, but out of the ones who did report seeing something, none ever recanted.
Logic, and the evidence, in this case falls on the side of the supernatural.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:24 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You’re really tied up on this number. Do we actually have 70,000 documented instances of people (verified to have been there) who swear to what they saw? I seriously doubt that we do.
The number has been reported as low as 50,000 and as high as 100,000.
So now they all have to have to swear under oath as to what they saw? Every single one of them?
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:26 pm to DownSouthJukin
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This is not logic at all. This is speculation.
We’re talking about the sun dancing in the sky, my friend. quote:
Granted, some reported to have seen nothing in the sky
I’m shocked.
And now we’re getting a range of numbers. That’s interesting, because I thought it was 70,000 verified believers.
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