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To those saying Brooks didn’t have possession

Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:40 pm
Posted by RaginSaint43
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:40 pm
Let’s say Brooks recovers a fumble in the middle of the field and returns it for a big gain or TD. Upon review they notice his knee was down simultaneously with his grasping the ball. You know damn well he would’ve been called down there. No “football move” to prove possession, subjective nonsense required.

The call on the field was that LSU recovered the ball. It should have absolutely stood regardless of that rule, because in every other instance, that is possession
Posted by SUB
Member since Jan 2001
Member since Jan 2009
20872 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:41 pm to
I don’t understand the relevance of your hypothetical.
Posted by BoogerTiger
In the General’s Pear Orchard
Member since Dec 2021
50 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:42 pm to
Watch the replay on YouTube at .25 speed. It was the right call because Brooks never did secure it even though I thought otherwise last night.
Posted by vanillabear
Member since Jan 2015
80 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:43 pm to
I just don’t understand how that’s not possession if the A&M QB having a hand on top of ball was possession in the 7 OT game.
Posted by DellTronJon
Member since Feb 2010
1289 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:45 pm to
Somebody always has to drop a steamer on the party.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11512 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Watch the replay on YouTube at .25 speed. It was the right call because Brooks never did secure it even though I thought otherwise last night.


The only reason he lost control of the ball is an illegal touch. WHY ON EARTH should that benefit the illegal toucher?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9412 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Let’s say Brooks recovers a fumble in the middle of the field and returns it for a big gain or TD. Upon review they notice his knee was down simultaneously with his grasping the ball. You know damn well he would’ve been called down there. No “football move” to prove possession, subjective nonsense required.

Counter argument: Let’s say the exact play we saw happens in the middle of the field, but the Alabama player actually recovers it inbounds after it bobbles out of Brooks’ hands. Do you think they call that a recovery by LSU (e.g. they say Brooks had recovered and was down) or a recovery by Alabama?

Without getting into the actual letter of the rule again.. Based on all of the loose ball plays I’ve seen over the years, I don’t think they call it dead in this scenario even though Brooks has two hands on it and a knee down. I’ve just seen too many cases where it’s still considered a loose ball, regardless of whether the player’s knee is down, until someone actually tucks it.

That being said - yes, in your scenario I think we probably get screwed as well. Though a lot would depend on whether the ref blows the whistle, since at that point it’s dead and can’t be reviewed further.

Before someone asks me, I don’t think Kellen Mond should have been called down either.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45156 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

Watch the replay on YouTube at .25 speed. It was the right call because Brooks never did secure it even though I thought otherwise last night.



This situation needs to be addressed even though it doesn't happen very often. A player who is out of bounds as Latu was is not eligible to do anything on the field until he reestablishes himself in bounds. There fore it should be treated like he isn't even there.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:05 pm to
There is a thread discussing this and you decide what you have to say is so important it needs its own thread to talk about what’s been said in another thread?
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

Watch the replay on YouTube at .25 speed. It was the right call because Brooks never did secure it even though I thought otherwise last night.


You are right but people can’t be objective.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9412 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

This situation needs to be addressed even though it doesn't happen very often. A player who is out of bounds as Latu was is not eligible to do anything on the field until he reestablishes himself in bounds. There fore it should be treated like he isn't even there.

Removing that possible scenario from the rules is easier said than done.

For example: if it’s “like he isn’t even there” then a WR or DB could potentially run out of bounds and tip and uncatchable pass back inbounds. That’s why they basically extend the “ground” out of bounds to also apply to any player who is out of bounds.
Posted by Scotcho Libre
Member since Jan 2016
761 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:10 pm to
Correct, Brooks recovered the ball, possessing it securely with two hands and his knee on the ground, thus ending the play before the TE ever touched the ball.
Posted by General_Sherman
Member since Oct 2022
257 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:13 pm to
It’s a stupid rule and should be revised but rules is rules

The worse call was the no tip
Posted by s2
Southdowns
Member since Sep 2016
5570 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

Somebody always has to drop a steamer on the party.



there is a point to the thread.

there are those who miss the point.




Posted by Bedtiger
Thibodaux
Member since Dec 2018
178 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:32 pm to
Football games are not meant to be watched in 1/4 speed, that the biggest problem with instant replay! No official on the field can do that, unless we want computers and sensor detecting everything we need to run at regular speed. That’s how the game is played.
Posted by Bedtiger
Thibodaux
Member since Dec 2018
178 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:36 pm to
1/4 speed, is that how we want to call a game?
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64677 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:39 pm to
The ruling was the man that fumbled went out of bounds and then while out of bounds touched the ball it was automatically a dead ball at that point.

That is some obscure bull sheet. Is there a reference to this ruling in their page book?
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6632 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

1/4 speed, is that how we want to call a game?


No, but maybe how we REVIEW the play.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7551 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

That is some obscure bull sheet. Is there a reference to this ruling in their page book?


it’s not obscure.
it’s literally the definition of “out of bounds”.

the ball becomes dead and out of bounds when it touches anything (players, ground, the bench, etc.) that are out of bounds.
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
24656 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

Watch the replay on YouTube at .25 speed. It was the right call because Brooks never did secure it even though I thought otherwise last night.


There is absolutely no way you can say he didn’t have possession for the split second that bammer touched.

OP is 100% correct in that the play lacked evidence necessary to overturn the call on the field.

Most blatant frickery I’ve seen in a long time
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