re: To all the anti-O ranters... What will all your bitching accomplish? What's your endgame?

Ok let's break the game down. We score first that was unfairly taken away, it crushes momentum it would've taken the crowd out to an extent and with a young team on the road with a poor Oline it's very big. Could've easily been 14-10 or 14-17 at half. Then you get them 3 and out 3 straight times to start the second half, twice on the first drive negated by one horrible decision by Alexander then a phony pass interference call on the first drive where they score. Then a terrible call when 92 tripped and leaned into Fitz not even knocking him to the ground on the next drive giving the. Points and costing us our 2nd player and our last interior dlineman leaving us with 2 for the rest of the game. Then on the long td pass which sealed the game you have White untouched coming up the middle on a blitz and the running back literally tacked him in front of the refs with no call resulting in a td. One could argue those plays alone decided the game. If anything the loss wasn't nearly as bad as it looked. That's just calls alone, we had Aranda calling his worst game and Canada calling an even worse game. Aranda gets a mulligan even Saban gives up a lot of points once or twice a year, Aranda went a while season without doing that last year and Canada was brought in to win those types of games but his offense looks nothing like the one he ran at Pitt and if we are gonna make something of this season and his hiring he needs to get back to what he did at Pitt.

In ways I agree but you can't ignore those plays just because you wanna jump on O. Miles was beat worse than this in 2014 to a very avg team but we knew that season would be a down year because of the QB situation so we can't give him slack then and in 08 and not do the same for O.

Well I agree it used to be that way but now with more and more freshman suing big roles I think that window has shrunk. Plus just because he didn't leave us with a gold mine doesn't mean we have nothing to build upon. Of course all of that is relative to the record. If O goes 4-6 wins in the first 2 years we'll know he can't do it.

That's not what I'm saying but when you're totally beat the way we were blame can't be constricted to one man it's belongs with everyone. Now we had a lot of plays taken away from us but the response to that unfortunate circumstance wasn't what you'd like it to be and that's the concerning part of it.

Right and that was the part that bothered me although I think fatigue played the biggest part on defense and not quitting. But I agree we didn't respond well and offensively I didn't see the adjustments I was hoping for from Canada. I really believe the offense maybe constructed incorrectly right now. Don't get me wrong I think Guice is as good or better than any back in the country but in today's game you can't build a championship offense around a back. It has to be built around the QB. And there's no reason Guice can't have an extremely productive heisman like season with the offense built that way. I watched Canada's offense all summer long on re runs of Pitt games and our offense looks nothing like it. He was in the gun at least 40% of the time and that's why he's here. Not to run run pass punt and play action bombs, that's what we've been doing. He has to use the short passing game to get the ball to our athletes in space, that's what we all believed he would do. Hopefully he starts doing it this weekend because what we've done so far will not work. Even Saban who loves to run it more than anyone realized that you have to build the offense around the QB no matter what his specific talents are.

Some will yes but guys like Key, Lawrence, Alexander and White are Ogeron recruits and guys he's personally coached from day 1 so yes they're Miles guys but they're Os too. Plus Brennan and what looks like and outstanding haul of WRs coming in next season may take this offense to a new level. Oline is going to be the spot that will make or break him though. I dunno why Grimes was retained but O needs to go get Kevin Mawae after the season is over. Grimes is a dog and Mawae wants the job and could turn our Oline to elite.

Miles got run out of the gym in 2014 by state. They put up nearly 600 yards of offense in Tiger Stadium and if they wanted too could've beat us as bad as they did Saturday.

Glad you brought up ironing out the details. I don't know about you but this strategy we have of playing it close to the vest during our cupcake games needs to be done away with. Especially when breaking in a new offense we need to be opening it up. There's no good that comes from what we've been doing in those games. Baker Mayfield threw for 329 yards in a half during their warmup game and did it hurt or help him vs Ohio State? Every great team I've ever seen weather it's the 90s Florida and FSU teams to USC early 2000s ran their full offense for 2 or 3 quarters to get live reps. What good does it do when you have to show your hand anyway during the first SEC game? The cats out of the bag with 7 conference games left anyway so why not get live reps?

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But you are wrong because you're making a judgement before it's time to make a judgement

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It sucks that some people have turned on Orgeron so early in the season (his first loss as the actual head coach) but I do understand some folks apprehension about his ability to run a program after the train wreck tenure he had at Ole Miss. I hope things get turned around but I do have some doubts myself.

But that's what this fan base does. Hell, there were lots of posters shitting all over Miles before, during and definitely after the September 2005 game against Tennessee.

What can you do if you're pulling for the coach to succeed and the fans storm this site with torches and pitchforks.