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Tired of the bend dont break Defense

Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
Member since Mar 2009
9119 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:44 pm
Looking forward to an aggressive attacking defense with Bo.

Those that think different dint know dominating football.
Posted by ExpoTiger
Member since Jul 2014
6489 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:50 pm to
I am excited about going back to a 4-3. Bo did great things here. We will see if he can replicate that. One thing is for sure guys, he will have all the talent he needs immediately. So we will know pretty soon.
Posted by BlackAngus
350 Sonic Blvd
Member since Jan 2020
1963 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:50 pm to
Ready to see some 1st round DTs coming out of LSU again. It would’ve never happened with DA, because all he wants the DL to do is hold gaps
Posted by iamandykeim
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
2623 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:52 pm to
I don’t know about “don’t know football”. I agree that we ought to be more aggressive defensively, but Aranda has a genius scheme that can work at a high level with any level of talent. I just think with the dudes we got in the secondary that we basically should do whatever it takes to get a pass rush and let those guys go man-to-man. And now that we have an offense that can score quickly, I think being aggressive makes all the more sense. I don’t know a ton about defensive schemes and X’s and O’s, but those are my general thoughts.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28339 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:54 pm to
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I am excited about going back to a 4-3.


Serious question. Do our interior lineman fit that scheme? I feel like O wants DT's who can win one-on-one battles and shoot gaps into the backfield. Under Aranda, the DT's were massive and largely asked to occupy blocks as opposed to attack, right?
Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
9036 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:54 pm to
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Those that think different dint know dominating football.

Exactly, they need to look at a sample games to see how defense was doing: Giving up 152 points vs Ole Miss, Vandy, Texas, and Alabama is not exactly stopping the spread. We were lucky with such a potent offense that kept us ahead in the games despite the defense.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 2:07 pm
Posted by 8miles
slidell
Member since Oct 2005
5653 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:55 pm to
That 2006 defense we had was nasty!!
Posted by crkelly91
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1526 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:57 pm to
I understand wanting a different styles but let’s not kid ourselves. What Dave did here worked just fine..
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
11875 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:58 pm to
We were running a hybrid 3-4.
KC would rush ~80% of the time and drop ~20%, but we essentially rush 4 with 3 DTs and a pass rusher on 1st and 2nd downs.
We had 2 Lb'ers and 5 Dbs on all but the 3rd down special rush packages.

"Going to a 4-3"... will just mean that one of our down lineman will be converted to a strong-side DE. This should create more depth and talent at our DT positions.
I don't see us changing our LB or DB philosophies much. You'll still need the speed and athleticism to deal with the modern passing game.
But the play-making split between DL and LB should be more balanced.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 2:19 pm
Posted by SoFunnyItsNot
Member since Mar 2013
4623 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:59 pm to
man you guys are in for it. Aranda was a top 5 coordinator... who almost never allowed big plays.. that's how you win games... and 4-3 is an outdated philosophy against the spread. this thread is pathetic and truly shows just how out of touch our fans are.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66481 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:02 pm to
If you look at our personal vs the personal Bo uses we have a few NTs that aren’t really part of his defense (we didn’t have a DL over 315 in 2007) and some BOLB that are very small compared to Bo’s DE.

Obviously freshmen like Webb and Ojulari can bulk up, but there aren’t a ton of obvious 4-3 DEs.
Posted by FriscoTiger
Frisco, TX
Member since Aug 2005
3487 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:02 pm to
They let to dominating on defense is generating pressure with 4 and not having to blitz all the time. Doesn’t really matter if it is the 3-4,4-3 or whatever. If you have the DL to do this you can dominate on D.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44561 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

Looking forward to an aggressive attacking defense with Bo.



lol

I don't remember Bo being particularly attacking or aggressive. ppl were really on him early in his first LSU run because it seemed like we played too much zone.

(not saying he/ the defense wasn't good. just funny how the narrative changes)
Posted by SoFunnyItsNot
Member since Mar 2013
4623 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:10 pm to
while that may be true... 4-3 is not just about the Dlinemen.... 4- THREE.. meaning also 3 Linebackers. and 4 DBs... if you are playing against the spread and have 7 players in the box... you are going to get dominated...

Yet our fans keep saying how ready they are to have the 4-3 back!!! I promise you... no you aren't. maybe you are happy to have 4 downline men back... but that doesnt make it a 4-3. Hell our 3-4 had 4 downline men... one was just considered a "linebacker"... the lack of football IQ on this board is pretty apparent though. But if we ran a 4-3 next year vs Texas or Bama we would get DOMINATED. End of story
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4411 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:15 pm to
What’s also funny is that people think Aranda is a base 3-4 guy when in reality he was more of a 3-3-5 guy. Although 3-4 and 3-3-5 aren’t much different at all.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Looking forward to an aggressive attacking defense with Bo.

Those that think different dint know dominating football.


Refresh my memory. Other than La Tech,whom did we dominate on defense in 2007?
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44561 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

Other than La Tech,whom did we dominate on defense in 2007?


Va Tech
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278380 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:25 pm to
With the proliferation of spread offenses, just about everyone will have a bend but don’t break defense

It doesn’t get much better than what LSU did to teams this year of defense.

It’s a new era of football, offense beats defense most days. You need to adjust. This is a new breed of football
Posted by SoFunnyItsNot
Member since Mar 2013
4623 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:25 pm to
people who are so happy to be back to Bo and the 4-3 to get more pressure please read below:

Sacks Under Bo:
2006: 39
2007: 37
2008: 28

Sacks under Aranda:
2016:36
2017:39
2018:34
2019:37

so... where are you getting this false hope from? Just curious. and Aranda's defense wasnt really about rushing the passer. so what does that say about Bo's?
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
11875 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:27 pm to
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when in reality he was more of a 3-3-5 guy. Although 3-4 and 3-3-5 aren’t much different at all.
I'd argue he ran a 3 DT, 1 hybrid DE, 2 LB, 5 DB system, with his goal being to stuff the inside run, play man to man on the outside, and let the speed of the LB/DB's make plays.
Not a terrible strategy, but it's not designed to absolutely shutdown offenses and rank in the Top 5 for yards/scoring.

It's good for 3rd down defense, forcing the offense to execute all the way down the field.
It's not great at pressure, sacks, or forcing turnovers.
But, it's very effective against almost every type of offense.
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