re: Tiger nation has turned against kelly since Sun night.

I’m starting to think last year we were not that good and just exceeded expectations… which caused astronomical expectations this year

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8-4 is the ceiling for this team.

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Totally agree. I think we'll sneak a win in that we shouldn't win. But this is an 8-4 season.

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I’m starting to think last year we were not that good and just exceeded expectations… which caused astronomical expectations this year

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Last year LSU got lucky several times; (Ole Miss, Arkansas, Bama)

I'm still hopeful.
However after listening to a couple former LSU and NFL players analyze the performance, it raises
some doubts.

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Saban lost to ULM early on at Bama. Orgeron lost to Troy two years before the championship (granted he drove the team into the ground after that). He still has another year or 2 to prove himself imo.

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I just dont understand the logic of bringing up the failures of the previous coach to justify the current coach's failures just make it seem like its "okay".

Its like the same BS excuse that often gets thrown around on the recruiting board when we're not landing the caliber of recruits we should be getting... "jUstiN jEffErSon wAs a tWo sTaR"

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Ok, and? It's still absurd.

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What’s “absurd” is NOT having questions about this staff after what we have seen.

I'm not skeptical. I am a little concerned he won't lead us to the promised land, but I think he'll get a lot of wins.

That said:

-He brought Polian down. ND fans said Polian was abysmal. He turned out to be so. Polian was reassigned and/or quit. He doesn't hire a replacement. Instead, another one of his former hires at ND, Bob Diaco, was hired a a defensive analyst. He just recently plugged him in as a special teams coordinator. Our special teams are still abysmal. Some of the worst in the country.

-With such a poor secondary, he takes arguably our best player, who so happens to be arguably the best pass rusher in the entire country, and plugs him in a position that just isn't a fit. By doing so, he diminished the kid's best abilities. With a poor secondary, don't you want someone who can get to the quarterback quickly?

-After not securing Tommy Rees, he brings his former hire, Mike Debrock, down. The results are mixed. Our lack of running game is concerning.

-I never saw a QB really develop and grow throughout his time with Kelly. Daniels, while not a problem, per se, appears to be the exact same player. His passing game is average, just like last season, and he's an electrifying runner, just like last season. I just don't see any progress.

-He shows a lot of loyalty to "his guys" despite his guys may not be the best fit for LSU.

-He's got this "Les Miles" factor to him. Not in a goofy, fun loving way. He's quite the opposite, and I do appreciate his candor. It's refreshing after Miles and Orgeron. He'll win games, but he's got this conservative playing style in him that just seems very dated in today's game. It's concerning. Saban adapted. Look what Tennessee is doing. Look at Ole Miss. If you want to have this conservative style, that's fine, you just better have Georgia's roster, and we don't have that. I also don't think he'll ever build that.

-In sum, I see a lot of 9, 10 win seasons.

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What’s “absurd” is NOT having questions about this staff after what we have seen.

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And nobody is saying that. But the OP is about turning against Kelly, not about simply having questions. Which is what I agree is absurd (turning against Kelly right now). But like I said, that's not accurate to speak for all of Tiger Nation.

The recruiting and on field talent worries me more than any coaching.

UGA and Bama just have completely different players than we do. Can you’d till beat them from time to time? Sure. But you ain’t sustaining what we want to sustain with the players we are getting now