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re: Thoughts on the insane buyout
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:16 am to martiallaw
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:16 am to martiallaw
quote:sure, but it is also to protect the coach financially. This isn't a one-way contract.
Schools usually put buyouts in place so other schools or NFL won't poach their Coaches.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:20 am to Chicken
quote:
but it is also to protect the coach financially. This isn't a one-way contract.
the fact that it wasn't one way shows how terrible this deal is
O has literally negative leverage. there were literally no 1A schools who were looking at him for HC. he had little to offer and nothing to threaten JA with in negotiations. at worst, we lose a DL coach who recruits (which grow on trees in CFB)
if we said "we want a $3M buyout" what's O going to say? "Ok i'l walk and take a $3M paycut and go back to being DL coach somewhere"
?
no
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:20 am to Lebowski
I thought the buyout was added to O's contract after the bowl game for no real reason.
Which is just as dumb when nobody else was even trying to hire him.
Which is just as dumb when nobody else was even trying to hire him.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:22 am to jlovel7
All Alleva did with Herman's contract was lower the salary and change the name to Ed Orgeron.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:40 am to Chicken
quote:
Texas was willing to offer Saban $100 million-plus to leave Alabama, Finebaum writes in new book
In fact, it appears they didn’t negotiate with Oregon at all. It looks like Alleva simply applied some white-out over Herman’s name to write Orgeron’s over it, chopped the salary down by a couple million and handed Coach O a contract to sign.
Oh I get it. The media is only truthful or presents info as facts when you say it does.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:47 am to jlovel7
Perhaps a young ranter should "George O'Leary" Coach O. Fact check all the details of his bio and resume. If he's lied to the university about anything, that's cause, and no buyout is required.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 10:49 am
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:58 am to Open Your Eyes
footballscoop.com? haha
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:59 am to jlovel7
quote:
Did Alleva guarantee this full contract not because he didn't realize how stupid it was but because he knew it'd buy Orgeron more time to hopefully be successful when he knew odds are he wouldn't be, thus buying Joe more time since his fate is supposedly tied to Orgeron.
That's one helluva run-on sentence.
But yes. Alleva gave O that insane buyout to protect himself.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:01 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:no, just shows that Finebaum corroborated my info...sorry you are still butt hurt
The media is only truthful or presents info as facts when you say it does.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:11 am to Chicken
why does it exclusively show that?
why couldn't it show "look we know you really biffed it in your last head coaching gig, and while we really do believe that you have learned a lot from your time at ole miss, we want to protect the football program in case you haven't?"
why couldn't it show "look we know you really biffed it in your last head coaching gig, and while we really do believe that you have learned a lot from your time at ole miss, we want to protect the football program in case you haven't?"
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:17 am to jlovel7
There is absolutely no logical reason to hire a resume such as Coach O has and giving that resume a $12 million buyout is absolutely insane.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:22 am to Chicken
quote:
Possibly on the Alleva angle, plus, as a coach, the perception is bad if you have a low buyout...shows low commitment from university.
Why not have a *wink wink* $12M buyout that's easy to get out of?
Alleva could have included language in the contract that would protect the school if CEO was an abysmal failure.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:23 am to Lonnie4LSU
quote:I agree...just trying to come up with possible reasons for the bad contract (from LSU's perspective)
There is absolutely no logical reason to hire a resume such as Coach O has and giving that resume a $12 million buyout is absolutely insane.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:27 am to jlovel7
quote:
Did Alleva guarantee this full contract not because he didn't realize how stupid it was but because he knew it'd buy Orgeron more time to hopefully be successful when he knew odds are he wouldn't be, thus buying Joe more time since his fate is supposedly tied to Orgeron.
If that was Alleva's line of thinking, then he shouldn't have gotten his panties in a wad and given the job to O when Herman to Texas happened and actually conducted a REAL coaching search.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:43 am to Chicken
As I recall your "info" was that Saban would be the next coach at Texas. I'm sure you think it took a real insider to figure out Texas would offer Saban a lot of money?
And butt hurt? Nah. Just enjoy pointing out hypocrisy.
And butt hurt? Nah. Just enjoy pointing out hypocrisy.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:46 am to sicboy
quote:
d he just adjusted the base salary of the Herman contract and presented it to Orgeron. I guess forgetting how big the buyout was
I mean
That's inconceivable.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:48 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:Here is exactly what I posted:
As I recall your "info" was that Saban would be the next coach at Texas.
quote:
So, it looks like Mack is likely gone. The UT football banquet is tonight. Was told that Mack will probably announce by Sunday that he is done.
Saban will not get formal offer until Mack has officially resigned.
UT confident that Saban will take the job, but unsure how Alabama will react once Sexton shows Alabama what Texas has offered.
Was told that there is no way that Saban would get a percentage of the Longhorn Network...more likely some type of signing bonus to front him money.
My source thinks that things will move very fast after Mack's announces his retirement and that if you don't hear Saban announced as new UT coach by Wednesday, then he is likely not leaving Alabama.
where do I say that Saban will be the next coach at Texas?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:49 am to Chicken
I can’t figure any of this out. It seems to go against all sports logic. I was stunned by Coach O even being in the running for the LSU head coach gig. So, what do I know.
Unless Joe has gone into some kind of early dementia, your thought about it sounds as reasonable as any. I assume both he and the board wanted to give Coach O some type of guarantee that he would be here 2-3 years no matter what. The insane buyout seems to have done that.
While I can understand Joe and Coach O seeing that as the best thing for them, it’s beyond me how anyone could think that was the best thing for LSU.
Unless Joe has gone into some kind of early dementia, your thought about it sounds as reasonable as any. I assume both he and the board wanted to give Coach O some type of guarantee that he would be here 2-3 years no matter what. The insane buyout seems to have done that.
While I can understand Joe and Coach O seeing that as the best thing for them, it’s beyond me how anyone could think that was the best thing for LSU.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:49 am to Andychapman13
quote:
And if you want to get rid of O, do it, but as much as I want him wrong I’ve been convinced that we gotta give him a second year to protect the image of how we will treat a head football coach here.
In most cases I would agree with you; however, every coaching candidate we would pursue understands O is a joke and grossly under qualified. If we go 3-9 no one would blame us for giving him the ax except maybe his mom.
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