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re: This years CWS meltdown is on the players, not CPM.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:25 am to Guava Jelly
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:25 am to Guava Jelly
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A well placed bunt down the 1st base side with runners moving on contact gives them a better shot than a pop up to shallow right.
I never thought I'd see the day where LSU fans are suggesting a bunt witht he bases juiced rather than swinging away...
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Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:26 am to Guava Jelly
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That was a huge coaching gaffe and it cost us at least two runs yesterday.
Right because Ibarra, Ross and Jones were spraying hits all over the field (combined 2 for 12 yesterday).
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:27 am to The Mick
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My personal opinion is the team peaked a little early (which you cant prevent) then had a natural lull and then couldnt quite get back the dominance and confidence they had early in the year.
Hadn't they won 9 out of 10 games heading into the CWS.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:27 am to mlminbtr
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At some particular point in time one would have to see a trend in the undisciplined approach CPM teams have consistently had at the plate and that, folks, is coaching.
Let me make sure I understand correctly. This undisciplined, poorly coached team was near the top of the SEC and NCAA in hitting and scoring runs during the regular season, but it was the reason we stunk in Omaha?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:28 am to mlminbtr
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Jarrett Mitchell
Now this guy's opinion on the matter is the one I trust. Clearly an expert.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:30 am to Tigerwagon
quote:Natural disaster that destroys the empty stadium. No injuries and the series is cancelled.
Then who to pull for?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:30 am to Guava Jelly
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with the bases loaded
A well placed bunt down the 1st base side with runners moving on contact gives them a better shot than a pop up to shallow right.
Bunting with the bases loaded and 2 outs would literally have been the dumbest call in the history of baseball. Good God.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:33 am to The Mick
Why didn't we run the ball? Why didn't we pass the ball in that situation? Why weren't we playing our back up QB. And so it goes!
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:38 am to PurpleAndGold86
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That's how you win. Hitting the damn ball.
This is it in a nutshell. You can nitpick some decisions here and there but there were enough runners in scoring position to easily win that game. Our hitters just weren't there.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:40 am to Camp Randall
quote:My thoughts exactly. You can disagree with some coaching decisions but we had sufficient opportunities to win both of those games. We did not get it done at the plate. Period.
This is it in a nutshell. You can nitpick some decisions here and there but there were enough runners in scoring position to easily win that game. Our hitters just weren't there
Posted on 6/19/13 at 9:03 am to The Mick
CWS inexperience...pure and simple. A couple bad breaks + added pressure of the situation = team thats too tight to do anything.
Could the coaches done anything to better prep/relax the players....yeah maybe. But the players still have to perform. I tend to agree with the OP.
Still a great season!
Could the coaches done anything to better prep/relax the players....yeah maybe. But the players still have to perform. I tend to agree with the OP.
Still a great season!
Posted on 6/19/13 at 9:05 am to The Mick
I see a lot of frustration oozing out here, but my little bit of frustration is not with the Team's performance as much as the different environments of where the Regionals and Super Regionals were played and the TD Ameritrade Park. The announcers continually stated that several hit by LSU (et al.) would have been out of nearly every park in the US. The size of the park seemed to change the tactics of the teams, and those who were small-ball teams had the advantage. Why does the NCAA set up a host of games in one environment and then require those teams to alter their SOP when they get to the the very end of the season? I'm sorry, folks, I think the park itself was the python that wrapped around the LSU team and constricted the Team to play a different style of ball. Yes, the hits didn't come when needed, but the pitching was good enough to win and the talent was all there. I do not fault the coach, players, or fans, but I would like the NCAA to consider matching the environment and not discriminating against power teams. We all need to stop acting like spoiled rotten kids (that includes me, folks, as I had a sort of tantrum during the last two innings), take it on the chin, and move on to being LSU. There is nothing to be ashamed about! There are 46+ (64-8 and all the other ones) teams that are just wishing they could have made it to Omaha. Geaux Tigers--win or lose, I will always be a Tiger.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 9:36 am to PurpleAndGold86
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What would bunting have changed yesterday? Please enlighten me. LSU had PLENTY of men on second base. They didn't get a timely hit. Bunting would have changed absolutely nothing for LSU yesterday.
This.
So the pro-bunt crowd thinks that magically after bunting the runner into scoring position the next guy up is going to get the clutch hit that absolutely no one got in either game? How blind (or dumb) do you have to be to see that LSU had tons of runners on (and in scoring position) but couldn't drive them home? Bunting or lack of bunting didn't doom the team, lack of hitting with runners in scoring position did. Bases loaded twice in the latter innings against UNC and no hits.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 9:58 am to Ice Cold
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two CWS veteran teams
This has been so overlooked. It was pretty naive to think that a team of CWS neophytes was going to walk in there and win the whole thing. We had enough talent to win game one, but couldn't throw and catch when it mattered.
Look at the years we've won the national title. Every team had been there at least twice in the previous three years except for '09, but they had been the year before:
91 (89, 90)
93 (90, 91)
96 (93, 94)
97 (94, 96)
00 (97, 98)
09 (08)
As much as it sucks, we just have to chalk this up to our young guys getting some experience and hopefully coming back motivated not just to get to Omaha for the seniors, but to win it all.
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:01 am to The Mick
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You can have differing opinions on bunt vs swing away, stolen base attempts, etc. This is all agruable and ok. However, the head coach can not step to the plate and take the AB for the players. They are the ones that choked (repeatedly). There is no one to blame but the players themselves imo. All of our big-time all-world hitters choked at just the wrong time of year. And yes they absolutely choked. My personal opinion is the team peaked a little early (which you cant prevent) then had a natural lull and then couldnt quite get back the dominance and confidence they had early in the year.
This is correct.
PM made ONE bad coaching move: not bunting Double Play Rymes in the 9th of Game one. He explained his reasoning behind the gamble, and you have to live with it.
Those saying he or Javi didn't give them a plan, this isn't true. When PM was interviewed during the UCLA game in the 6th inning, he addressed the problem and even stated the team needed to lay off the high pitch and start trying to balls through the infield, not hitting it to the outfield.
Face it, the team choked. When your 3, 5, 6, and 8 hitters go for a combined 1-30 (something like that), you won't win.
Think about it:
Had Bregman, Rymes and Ibarra just hit for their season average and gone, say, 7-24 in those two games, LSU would have won them both HANDILY due to the fact that Laird, Katz, Ross, and even Stevenson were making productive outs or just flat out hitting the ball well. Especially Laird and Katz.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:03 am to The Mick
This team had the players and coaches to win it all. They were and still are as good or better than anyone still left. It's hard to win a championship. You have to be really good and have a lot go your way. LSU just couldn't pull it off this year. Oh well.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:00 pm to motorbreath
I refuse to describe it as choking when 18-19-20 yr old college kids struggle at the bat. These are college kids, not professional ball players. As mad & upset as any ranter is here, these college kids are 10 times as mad & upset, hurting. I dare any ranter here to walk up to Raph, Ibarrea, Bregman, look them in their eyes, and tell them that they choked. If you look at the last mth of the season, all 3 players' batting averages dropped & continued to do so for the most part. So I see it as being a case of a slump being extended as opposed to a kid folding under pressure.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:06 pm to The Mick
It's on everybody.
We wait four months to play our worst baseball of the year.
We wait four months to play our worst baseball of the year.
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