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re: This Nuss love is too hopeful.

Posted on 7/18/22 at 10:02 pm to
Posted by bengalmd
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 10:02 pm to
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Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 10:27 pm to
Miss State actually had one of the better defenses in the conference that year.
Posted by TheTruthPolice
Mandeville
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 10:42 pm to
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Miss State actually had one of the better defenses in the conference that year.



They were 10th against the pass in the SEC and they were number 6 in ppg.

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Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 10:55 pm to
They were 4th in YPP.

Teams just averaged 35 passes a game against them.
Posted by reauxl tigers
Tiger Woods Fan
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:35 pm to
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Brennan is under center for FSU. We have to win that game and we dont need any mistakes.
Why is everyone assuming Nuss is just mistake prone? Yea he's young but he's a sophomore now and very talented. I'd rater not have a statue standing back there while the new o-line is trying to gel.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78389 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:03 am to
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Why is everyone assuming Nuss is just mistake prone?


Probably the 2 picks he threw in the only game where he had meaningful time.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:20 am to
When Nuss wins 3 SEC games in a row, I will believe.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14235 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:22 am to
Burrow threw a pick 6 in the Florida game, in 18, that sealed the loss. He had several games under his belt.
Guess we should have benched him?
It's amazing what a Spring and Summer, working with good receivers, will do for a quarterback.

I don't believe there is a bad choice with the three candidates.
I have confidence the coaches will make the correct choice. If they don't, there probably will be a change by half time in the Fla St game.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78389 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:53 am to
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Burrow threw a pick 6 in the Florida game, in 18, that sealed the loss. H


If that was all he did in 2018.

Nuss’s sample size is very small and I dont See what he did last year to generate the hype.

He had this hype going into Arkansas. He had this hype after a 3 for 10 McNEese game.

He also likes to scramble back ways and take long sacks.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34268 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:58 am to
They all bring strengths and concerns to the table. Yes, Brennan has been at LSU for what seems like a decade, but Daniels has FAR more game experience. You could make an argument Brennan doesn't have all that much more meaningful game experience than Nussmeier (3 SEC starts for Brennan vs. 1 de facto start vs. Arkansas for Nussmeier)

Brennan gives you maturity and probably the most confidence that he won't make a critical mistake. He also gives you the opportunity to really stretch the field. But more than the other two, Brennan needs everything around him to go right to play well. The OL must protect, the WR's must get open quickly, because Brennan doesn't have the mobility to consistently make plays if/when the play as designed breaks down.

I read something this morning that Kelly has had a QB rush for at least 200 yards every year since 2014. Brennan doesn't seem to be a guy who fits that mold. Daniels does. But Daniels seems to have his own limitations. He went from a guy who looked like one of the best freshmen QBs in the nation to a guy who seemed to be falling out of favor on a team that is not very good. Was last season more of a byproduct of ASU trending downward? Or was his freshman year an aberration quickly eliminated once teams got a scouting report on him? Either way, we still know he is probably the best runner of the group by far. While not the most important quality of a great QB, a QB who can run gives the offense more options. Defenses have to account for that aspect. Plays that break down initially can be salvaged, or turned into huge plays for the offense. Still, first and foremost, a QB has to be able to consistently beat defenses through the air if he and the team are going to be successful. I still also contend it doesn't make sense a 3 year P5 starter would leave a starting job to come to a school simply to "compete" for the chance to start. Especially with only two years of eligibility remaining. He almost assuredly had other P5 options besides LSU where he could confident he could slide in an start (like Burrow in 2018). So I have a tough time believing he agreed to come to LSU without some level of assurances from BK. That said, BK has been very tight lipped on the starting QB role and Brennan, someone with even less remaining eligibility than Daniels, is still on the team.

I see a lot of (college) Baker Mayfield in Nussmeier. A "gunslinger" with a ton of confidence to bounce around and make any throw. That confidence allows them to make huge plays more conservative QBs won't even attempt. It also can lead to back-breaking mistakes where just a bit of discretion would secure a win. I think BK sees Nussmeier the same way. The potential good probably outweighs the potential good of the other two guys. Nussmeier at his best probably makes the offense the most dangerous it could be. But the question is can BK live with the inevitable mistakes that will arise from that style of play? It is easy to say you can in July. It is much different to feel that way in October in the Swamp after Nussmeier throws an interception trying to make a completely unnecessary and dumb throw in a 3 point game vs. Florida.
Posted by DCTXLA
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:11 am to
Poorly written, poorly presented argument OP.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 9:13 am
Posted by The Albatross
Member since Mar 2021
956 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:38 am to
Just a friendly reminder to all on this site: you don’t have to hitch your wagon to a QB. I don’t know why so many of y’all take this personally. I’m rooting for all of our guys and hope the coaches pick the best one for our team. You don’t have to ride or die with any one of the three.
Posted by VeniceBeachMouton
Venice,California
Member since Feb 2013
711 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:46 am to
Me too. I’m cool with with who ever the coaches start. Watched some Jayden film last night. He does need some coaching.
Posted by NicotineFree2022
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2022
624 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:38 am to
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I still also contend it doesn't make sense a 3 year P5 starter would leave a starting job to come to a school simply to "compete" for the chance to start. Especially with only two years of eligibility remaining. He almost assuredly had other P5 options besides LSU where he could confident he could slide in an start (like Burrow in 2018). So I have a tough time believing he agreed to come to LSU without some level of assurances from BK.


CBK didn't reach out to JD and lure him to Baton Rouge, JD initiated first contact
Posted by SwampBandit
Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
3730 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:15 am to
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Brennan is under center for FSU.


Why? So he can fold under pressure and look like a deer in the headlights? Look if we have an o-line that can give Brennan time then we may have something. However if we can have a true dual threat guy that can scramble i would much rather that..
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14515 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:36 am to
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All this talk of Jayden being inaccurate is cap.


Not really.

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His numbers are the best on the team.


Strictly because he's started on a shitty football team since his freshman year. Doesn't mean he's the best on the team. In fact, he's gotten worse every season.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14515 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:38 am to
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led a team for 3 yrs.


Word on the street is that he wasn't very well liked at ASU inside the locker room.
Posted by Biko
Member since Jul 2022
470 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:21 pm to
Yep. Just manage the game. Don't hurt us. Bring in Daniels off the bench if you need some QB runs.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34268 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:43 pm to
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CBK didn't reach out to JD and lure him to Baton Rouge, JD initiated first contact


I'm not saying you are wrong, but was that actually reported anywhere besides Tiger Rant supposition/speculation?
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14235 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:42 pm to
Defense and WR are our strengths, right?
Without Boutte, consensus best WR in the NCAA, Nuss led the offense to a score, in the Spring game, ?on every drive in which he was QB.

Against the best Dense he was unstoppable.
He threw two more long passes on target, that should have been completions. One was dropped by Jenkins, the other was misplayed by Hilton.

The defense looked respectable when the other QBs were on the field.
Which is it Nuss is being underrated or our defense is being overrated?
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