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re: The Waters pass was not dumb, and not calling a time out isn't a bad call

Posted on 2/3/19 at 10:44 am to
Posted by 1badboy
In space
Member since Jul 2014
8103 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 10:44 am to
Pitiful pass!!!Dumb play cost us the game!
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
17965 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 10:48 am to
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It bit us in the arse today and has before


A TO would not have gotten us a better look than what Smart had. He just missed the shot.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4328 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 10:53 am to
It was an alley oop from half court, I wouldn't have minded it at all from within half court set because he could have placed ball in a lot better spot for the dunk. From that distance it was a high risk play, not so much risk in half court offense.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44375 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:04 am to
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I disagree Mick. In most circumstances, you should use the 2-for-1 to your advantage. It's an extra possession, and that almost always is beneficial.
Not with the lead at the end of the game, you never take a quick shot. You run the clock and hope to get fouled or an open look deep in the shot clock. If you're losing then yes, or just before halftime of course you try it whether winning or losing. End of game with a lead, never.
Posted by cdesormeaux
Member since Mar 2014
83 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:33 am to
No, it was a ridiculous play. Drain the clock, draw a foul, or execute 1 play and make 2 points.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
8264 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 1:30 pm to
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Nah, I don't agree with that. Assuming it was an easy basket, it was the correct decision to make (it wasn't as easy basket, so clearly wrong). But, best case, Arkansas was getting the ball with 15 seconds. That's plenty of time. We score there, we are up 3, and have time on the clock after an Arkansas possession.



Well thank god you are not a coach. You don’t try to extend the game up 1 with 40 seconds or so left on the clock. You milk it as long as you can and hopefully go up 3 and Arkansas has NO chance to win the game only tie or lose when they get possession. That pass was a very low percentage field goal with no time coming off the clock which is the worst thing you can do in that situation. Why do you need 2 possessions to win the game when you are up 1? You settle down and make a bucket then set your defense after Arky most likely calls a TO
This post was edited on 2/3/19 at 1:35 pm
Posted by tiger chaser
Birmingham Ala
Member since Feb 2008
7662 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 3:48 pm to
There was 36 seconds left in game. 1 point lead.. run the the clock down make them foul
Posted by gillian
Member since May 2017
303 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:02 pm to
It was an incredibly risky play at exactly the wrong moment. It would have been a bad idea even hell had frozen over and it had worked.
Posted by Tigers eyes
Member since Nov 2018
2649 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:21 pm to
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but neither were bad decisions
There's a lot of people who only see the play didn't work rather than look at it from the perspective of right or wrong decision. I mean, these same people would probably say it was a good decision had it been executed properly.
I can understand both, allowing the players to play through and calling a timeout to regroup and set a play-up. I think it's more of a trusting your players and feeling the flow and personality of the game. Since Wade likes his players to be aggressive on the offensive end, this is what they are familiar with, being aggressive. Getting the ball to an open man on a fast-break is a high percentage play. It will succeed more times than fail. Waters is known to try getting the ball down court in a hurry, sometimes he forces things and the man isn't as open as is ideal, but it's the nature of that style of basketball.
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call a time out and set a play, but calling a time out also let's the defense reset.

This is one reason why pushing the ball up-court in a hurry has a high percentage success rate. When it's there you got to try. But execution is vital.
LSU didn't lose this game on one play, there were several factors that went into this loss. Arkansas was just on fire from 3 and there isn't much you can do. You have to play tight defense, rotation is key so you can suffocate the ball. And when you are not shooting very well it makes it very difficult to win a game like this. They will bounce back. Now they realize they can't play lazy ball and still hope their superior talent pull it off in the end.


Posted by Trent
Member since Jan 2008
2151 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:51 am to
Dumb or not, I think the team saw what they can do if they play w/ a sense of urgency all game. We weren't going to win every game anyway, and we probably should've lost 1 -2. I'm hopefull there was a lesson in it all.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19129 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:11 am to
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Not with the lead at the end of the game, you never take a quick shot. You run the clock and hope to get fouled or an open look deep in the shot clock. If you're losing then yes, or just before halftime of course you try it whether winning or losing. End of game with a lead, never.

i disagree.

Hypothetical: If you lead by one and have the ball with 45-60 seconds left, there are two options. First off, the math dictates that your opponent will get a possession, so it's either run down the shot clock and let your opponent have the last shot, or get a good shot quickly so we get a 2-for-1 and get another possession after our opponent gets theirs.

It's a simple concept, and very surprising to me why college coaches don't get it. NBA coaches do, and almost always take advantage of 2-for-1.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19129 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:14 am to
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A TO would not have gotten us a better look than what Smart had. He just missed the shot.

uh, before Smart's uncontested 15 footer, Naz had a layup that he just missed. Those were two VERY good looks.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:43 am to
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Not a smart play at all. LSU had been getting fouled in the lane all game. Work for the good shot in that situation.


agree...w a foul

such would have likely given us a 2 or 3 pt advantage.

no need to be a hero, the clock favored us.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 9:52 am
Posted by Soup Sammich
Member since Aug 2015
3301 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:25 pm to
Yeah I think you go for the 2 for 1 possession every time. If you milk the clock and not score, that gives Arky the last shot for the win. If LSU scores there, Arky can only tie with a 3 but also gives LSU the final shot.

Alley-oop was bad. No timeout didn’t bother me that much.

Hopefully it’s a learning experience. It was a tough loss but I think it wakes them up and just makes the team better. I’m not worried at all right now.
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