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re: The real reason why players are leaving early
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:43 pm to BRAVEHEART
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:43 pm to BRAVEHEART
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Maybe, just maybe, if the junior departers saw that there was a strong chance for a National Championship, they'd come back for their senior seasons, but there's no hope for that possibility at LSU and they know it, so they gone.
GTFO that has nothing to do with it. If last yeas Jrs come back this year we win the championship. Its all about getting paid.
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Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:43 pm to Salmon
quote:you keep saying this, but it doesn't make it any less false. See my other thread on it.
you say this, but the money isn't that much different than a 6th rounder and a 4th rounder anymore
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Average salary is about 45-55% higher for the 3rd rounder vs 6th/undrafted guy.
Where it REALLY makes a difference is in signing bonus -- 3rd rounds get $500K-700K, whereas the other get $0-$100K.
I know you said 4th rounder, not 3rd rounder, but there is still a significant difference in signing bonus.
People seem to think under the new CBA that 3rd round-through-undrafted are all pretty much the same now.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:45 pm to clamdip
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People seem to think under the new CBA that 3rd round-through-undrafted are all pretty much the same now
Yes but the players don't really understand. To almost all of these guys, that's an incomprehensible amount of money. The difference between $700k and $950k becomes irrelevant to kids that grew up getting their water turned off every month.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:47 pm to Shalimar Sid
IMO, it's mostly a case-by-case basis. If a player weighs all the factors and thinks it's in his best interest to leave early, they do.
It may be true that we aren't that much more talented than other teams, but in the specific cases it's enough to tip the scales.
It seems like Les is deliberately steering the program to a "3 and out" approach. It's a 2-edged sword and will be interesting to see how it works out.
I know only anecdotal, but it was neat to see Peyton and Kevin Faulk return for their senior seasons. They both took a risk but school loyalty and an opportunity to compete for championships prevailed.
Finally, most kids do aspire to play in the NFL. But it would be neat if those same kids aspired to play in TS on Sat night. We need to pioneer a program to get kids to TS on Sat night and make'em dream and show'em Faulk's press conf.
It may be true that we aren't that much more talented than other teams, but in the specific cases it's enough to tip the scales.
It seems like Les is deliberately steering the program to a "3 and out" approach. It's a 2-edged sword and will be interesting to see how it works out.
I know only anecdotal, but it was neat to see Peyton and Kevin Faulk return for their senior seasons. They both took a risk but school loyalty and an opportunity to compete for championships prevailed.
Finally, most kids do aspire to play in the NFL. But it would be neat if those same kids aspired to play in TS on Sat night. We need to pioneer a program to get kids to TS on Sat night and make'em dream and show'em Faulk's press conf.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:49 pm to AlwysATgr
Many of our players come from poor families ... they need the money. We will always have a higher turn over rate given these circumstances.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:54 pm to Leaux
Agreed - but I think the point was that of the pool of players who could leave early and are from poor backgrounds, there's still a disproportinate number from us that leave early.
No stats to drive these conclusions out just an opinion.
No stats to drive these conclusions out just an opinion.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:54 pm to Leaux
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Many of our players come from poor families ... they need the money.
Watch the piece on Leonard Fournette from ESPN. As sad as it may be, hes probably in a better situation than many of our players because he has involved parents. Folks, in LA, particularly the NOLA metro area, some people live like they are in a 3rd world country. Half a million dollars is like an unimaginable pot of gold for these kids.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:58 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
so i was watching 4th down on 4 last night (NOLA weekly sports show on WWL) and TBob Hebert was on. He brought this up, and you could just tell he was holding his tongue about why these kids are all leaving early.
But being the professional he is, he deferred to other reasons. But he smiled and almost started down the other road.
But being the professional he is, he deferred to other reasons. But he smiled and almost started down the other road.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:59 pm to Bear Is Dead
True that! By the by; where can I purchase a Buga Nation T shirt?
I don't want to be suspect! Lol
I don't want to be suspect! Lol
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:01 pm to Leaux
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Many of our players come from poor families ... they need the money. We will always have a higher turn over rate given these circumstances.
lol
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:08 pm to Bear Is Dead
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GTFO that has nothing to do with it. If last yeas Jrs come back this year we win the championship. Its all about getting paid.
You think they thought that with the way Mett played last year?
It is about getting paid, but I'm just saying... LSU has a bigger problem than the other teams. If you took the two teams with the next highest number of early entrants to the NFL last year and combined them, LSU still had a few more go to the pros. We need to recruit players that suck so this won't happen or tell the recruits to wait until their senior year to pan out.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:10 pm to Lester Earl
Not a big Les fan but blaming him or the staff for early departures is dumb, to many factors there that are not staff related.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:12 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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We need to recruit players that suck so this won't happen or tell the recruits to wait until their senior year to pan out.
Lulz wat?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:19 pm to Manky
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Not a big Les fan but blaming him or the staff for early departures is dumb, to many factors there that are not staff related.
Again, when it is consistently happening that your team loses more early entrants to the draft than the next 2 highest teams combined, something is askew.
There is a reason for it, and it isn't publicly know, but it does exist. This isn't just a fluke.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:21 pm to Geauxgurt
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There is a reason for it, and it isn't publicly know, but it does exist. This isn't just a fluke.
maybe Les gives them the information, and let's them decide for themselves?
it is hard for a 20 year old to turn down a $750k annual salary
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:27 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Good post, and A-men. LSU football is consistently sending among the highest number of students into the professional ranks. That is a good thing, and should be a major consideration of high school players who believe that they have what it takes to be professional.
Also, this:
Hold That Tiger 10 said:
Exactly. This is a rant. Let people rant, and don't click on the rant unless you want to rant on the topic that is being ranted about.
Also, this:
Hold That Tiger 10 said:
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If you already know the reason, then there isn't much point in clicking on the thread.
Exactly. This is a rant. Let people rant, and don't click on the rant unless you want to rant on the topic that is being ranted about.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:31 pm to clamdip
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I know you said 4th rounder, not 3rd rounder, but there is still a significant difference in signing bonus.
People seem to think under the new CBA that 3rd round-through-undrafted are all pretty much the same now.
Going undrafted or late rounds seems to be worse than coming back and improving your stock.
The only time coming back is a mistake is when you're pegged for the first couple of rounds.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:44 pm to Salmon
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maybe Les gives them the information, and let's them decide for themselves?
it is hard for a 20 year old to turn down a $750k annual salary
So Les is the only coach in the NCAA that let's his players decide for themselves?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:45 pm to Geauxgurt
Is that what I said?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Going undrafted or late rounds seems to be worse than coming back and improving your stock.
There's risked involved in coming back and improving your stock.
1.) Injuries, which these guys see everyday
2.) Not improving your stock
It's not always smart to delay your career in hopes that you will be more valuable a year down the road.
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