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The Rants Misdirected Anger
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:29 am
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:29 am
Why all the hatred/anger for Orgeron? Coach O did what anyone else in his situation would do. He wanted a good job and got hired for said job. Was he the most qualified and best hire we could’ve made? Absolutely not. I definitely didn’t want him as HC.
I think the anger is misdirected at him and all should be directed at Alleva, Alexander, and the BoS. They are the truly incompetent ones who have no idea how to run an elite athletic program at a major university.
I feel like Orgeron and now Ensminger are just doing what they were hired to do. Their deficiencies are more of a reflection on the administration than them. O and the coaching staff are doing the best they can - not O’s fault he doesn’t have the capabilities to run a program. It’s the administrations for hiring him. It’s analogous to someone not being good enough for any other job but being hired anyway - it falls on the “higher ups.”
Fire away.
I think the anger is misdirected at him and all should be directed at Alleva, Alexander, and the BoS. They are the truly incompetent ones who have no idea how to run an elite athletic program at a major university.
I feel like Orgeron and now Ensminger are just doing what they were hired to do. Their deficiencies are more of a reflection on the administration than them. O and the coaching staff are doing the best they can - not O’s fault he doesn’t have the capabilities to run a program. It’s the administrations for hiring him. It’s analogous to someone not being good enough for any other job but being hired anyway - it falls on the “higher ups.”
Fire away.
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Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:31 am to LintLicker
This will be a long offseason with these threads everyday
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:31 am to LintLicker
Well. He said he wouldn't meddle. He also said he'd get the best coordinators in the world.
0 for 2 there.
0 for 2 there.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:34 am to LintLicker
I think there is plenty of justified concern that Orgeron was less than straight forward in his representations when he got the job (and I, for one, am still concerned about allegations he went behind Miles back to Alleva to complain about issues in order to ingratiate himself and undermine Miles).
Then, Orgeron has not conducted himself in a mature and honest fashion since then in his dealings with Canada and his hiring of SE.
I am not angry at him. I just think he is not qualified and I question his judgment, maturity and integrity.
Then, Orgeron has not conducted himself in a mature and honest fashion since then in his dealings with Canada and his hiring of SE.
I am not angry at him. I just think he is not qualified and I question his judgment, maturity and integrity.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:36 am to LintLicker
I don't blame O for wanting or accepting the job. But he needs to start owning the shite he sold everyone to get it.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:39 am to LintLicker
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Why all the hatred/anger for Orgeron?
He campaigned for the job like a politician.
He lied about how he’d handle the job.
He claimed he learned from his mistakes at Ole Miss and he’s repeating many of those mistakes.
He’s not doing a good job in several important facets of running the program and many of us see an accelerated downward spiral for the program.
Do I need to go on?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:41 am to LintLicker
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all should be directed at Alleva, Alexander, and the BoS
We need to repeat this truth until there are no more crazy people running around bashing O. I think it's fairly clear that O is sincerely doing the best he can. It is not his fault his boss wouldn't recognize a great football coach if one was pissing on his head.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:41 am to LintLicker
Have you just woken up from a coma? Aleeva and F King are hated and rightfully so. All the blame goes to them for hiring Orgeron and signing off on Esmingers promotion. Nobody hates Orgeron or Esminger personally this is business, and when Orgeron goes against his word of hiring top coordinators then he now deserves his share f blame. Orgeron made the same lazy hire that got him promoted and that’s why people are angry with him and rightfully so.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:42 am to LintLicker
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hy all the hatred/anger for Orgeron? Coach O did what anyone else in his situation would do. He wanted a good job and got hired for said job. Was he the most qualified and best hire we could’ve made? Absolutely not. I definitely didn’t want him as HC.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:43 am to Ace Midnight
quote:CEO is not doing his best. He's hiring people that will make him comfortable. But you people keep preaching that we should "give him a chance" and that "he's one of us".
We need to repeat this truth until there are no more crazy people running around bashing O. I think it's fairly clear that O is sincerely doing the best he can. It is not his fault his boss wouldn't recognize a great football coach if one was pissing on his head.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:44 am to LintLicker
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Why all the hatred/anger for Orgeron?
Because he's a fricking liar and a shitty coach on top of it.
There's plenty of hatred to go around to all responsible parties.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:45 am to LintLicker
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Their deficiencies are more of a reflection on the administration than them. O and the coaching staff are doing the best they can - not O’s fault he doesn’t have the capabilities to run a program.
While I agree with it is on the administration. The reason O deserves so much heat is the mistake he is making are obvious and easy to see by the most casual of fans. He isn't making these mistakes because of lack of ability. He is doing because of arrogance and foolish pride. "We are going to do what I want to do because I am the head coach" his words not mine. While it is true he is the HC, he needs to realize he doesn't have all of the answers. A smart leader surrounds himself with the best people and lets them do their job. That doesn't appear to be happening here. This has nothing to do with SE, I want to make that clear. This is about Orgeron.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:47 am to LintLicker
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I think the anger.........should be directed
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:48 am to LintLicker
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Was he the most qualified and best hire we could’ve made? Absolutely not.
Top candidate for understatement of 2018.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:58 am to JBeam
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you people
I want the LSU football team to win games. If that means O has to be successful to do that, so be it.
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give him a chance"
Don't give him a chance then. What if he wins? Then what?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:10 am to LintLicker
This is worse than the bots on PT
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:19 am to LintLicker
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Why all the hatred/anger for Orgeron? Coach O did what anyone else in his situation would do. He wanted a good job and got hired for said job. Was he the most qualified and best hire we could’ve made? Absolutely not. I definitely didn’t want him as HC. I think the anger is misdirected at him and all should be directed at Alleva, Alexander, and the BoS. They are the truly incompetent ones who have no idea how to run an elite athletic program at a major university
You are correct about Alleva and co., but O has demonstrated a multitude of issues:
The handling of Canada during the season was unprofessional (the degree depends on what source you believe)
Misrepresentation of hiring processes for self serving purposes
Making incompetent statements to the press and never clarifying facts
There are likely more but all of these reflect poorly on LSU and are detrimental to the success of the program. Alleva needs to be removed for his ultimate responsibility, but O needs to go as well.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 10:20 am
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:20 am to Ace Midnight
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We need to repeat this truth until there are no more crazy people running around bashing O. I think it's fairly clear that O is sincerely doing the best he can. It is not his fault his boss wouldn't recognize a great football coach if one was pissing on his head.
I disagree to this extent. I think Ogeron is doing what he thinks is best, not "the best he can". The problem is Ogeron is doing what he thinks is best for HIM remaining the HC, not necessarily what is best for the team or program.
Going out and hiring a top-flight OC (even if that guy isn't Matt Canada) with the significant money LSU is willing to spend is the "best thing for the program". Promoting the TE coach who helped you get the HC job and who hasn't been a true OC in 20 years because he won't challenge your position or authority is the "best thing for Ogeron"
Alleva and his ilk ABSOLUTELY deserve criticism for hiring Ogeron in the first place. But don't act like Ogeron doesn't have his own self interest at the top of the priority chart. He may be a bozo. But he's smart enough to know that this is his ONLY and LAST shot at a HC job. Just like he said/did whatever he thought was necessary to get it, he's going to say/do whatever he thinks it's necessary to keep it. Unfortunately, he's clearly too dumb to realize that the best thing to do in order to ensure he keeps the job is to hire top notch assistants and give them almost unfettered control on their specific side of the ball.
Outside of recruiting, the less he's involved the better LSU will be. That's the reality his ego won't let him accept.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:29 am to LintLicker
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Coach O did what anyone else in his situation would d
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:12 am to ChipKelly
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Well. He said he wouldn't meddle. He also said he'd get the best coordinators in the world.
don't be naive ..... all HCs have input in all areas.
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