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re: The rants 2 favorite coaches helped get John Emery jr

Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:20 pm to
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Yes and look what it does to a team like FSU who despite having the #3 ranked QB Francois and #1 RB Akers have a shite offense


They obviously didn't get the auto +4 that LSU's players will get.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:22 pm to
Couple of things

- Lewis, Deculus and Cushenberry were all 1st year starters. Deculus and one of the other 2 were not even starters coming into the year.

- when "Brumsfield" went out in the middle of our toughest stretch of games, we were down to 4th string G, or in this case, your old RT.

- We started 4 different LTs & 3 different RT

- Offensive line play is so dependent on cohesion and playing together. And when Charles misses games, and "Brumsfield" misses games, these guys are missing reps together. You are mixing and match guys out of position at this point, because even though you want to twist it like it is normal, its not, and no one has that kind of depth to withstand what happened to LSU this year. You're pulling Deculus over to LT, that means new RT starter. Magee and Charles hurt together, your 2 start Tackles to start the year, you go to Traore. Your other starting guard in Ingram is already out to begin the season.


Having to start 9 different OL (not including INgram) is not "Every team deals with OL injuries".


and for frick sakes for the good of this board, proofread your posts.

This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:22 pm to
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Yes and look what it does to a team like FSU who despite having the #3 ranked QB Francois and #1 RB Akers have a shite offense.



or the Saints. Who are missing like 1 LT, and sometimes just 2 OL.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:24 pm to
I'm not even going to speak to Ben, because he is absolutely idiotic.

Is the argument right now, that LSU's offensive line sucked, therefore the offense was terrible. And FSU's line was also terrible, and having a good QB and RB did them no good? But LSU signing two good RBs will solve all LSU's problems, unlike it did for FSU. And that the OLine they claimed was terrible for LSU will somehow return as a dominating OLine in the SEC?

I haven't read back, so correct me if I'm wrong (not a village idiot though. Someone with over three brain cells please).
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:26 pm to
But we had our entire OL at the end of the season.

We were sliding our RG to RT to have him get hurt.

The last 2 months we had an injury at LG and that’s it.

The last month we had no injuries.

I am Not saying injured OL isn’t an excuse, I’m saying after September we most of our OL set the rest of the season, but didn’t really progress.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand FSU fired their OC.

They didn’t just hope next year would be better.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 3:28 pm
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:27 pm to
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Couple of things

- Lewis, Deculus and Cushenberry were all 1st year starters. Deculus and one of the other 2 were not even starters coming into the year.

- when "Brumsfield" went out in the middle of our toughest stretch of games, we were down to 4th string G, or in this case, your old RT.

- We started 4 different LTs & 3 different RT

- Offensive line play is so dependent on cohesion and playing together. And when Charles misses games, and "Brumsfield" misses games, these guys are missing reps together. You are mixing and match guys out of position at this point, because even though you want to twist it like it is normal, its not, and no one has that kind of depth to withstand what happened to LSU this year. You're pulling Deculus over to LT, that means new RT starter. Magee and Charles hurt together, your 2 start Tackles to start the year, you go to Traore. Your other starting guard in Ingram is already out to begin the season.


Having to start 9 different OL (not including INgram) is not "Every team deals with OL injuries".


Ben, you should take notes. This is a post that is presented in a well thought out manner, with reasoning behind his opinions. Even if people don't agree with the opinion, it is at least well thought out and can lead to better discussions.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:29 pm to
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Is the argument right now, that LSU's offensive line sucked, therefore the offense was terrible. And FSU's line was also terrible, and having a good QB and RB did them no good? But LSU signing two good RBs will solve all LSU's problems, unlike it did for FSU. And that the OLine they claimed was terrible for LSU will somehow return as a dominating OLine in the SEC?


Pretty much. The offensive line was not very good this year, but it's all but guaranteed to be better in 2019. Also, those two freshman RBs are going to be better in than Leonard Fournette.

That about sums it up.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:32 pm to
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The last 2 months we had an injury at LG and that’s it.

The last month we had no injuries.

I am Not saying injured OL isn’t an excuse, I’m saying after September we most of our OL set the rest of the season, but didn’t really progress.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand FSU fired their OC.

They didn’t just hope next year would be better.


The offensive line played worse in November, when it was relatively healthy, than it did when they were constantly rotating guys in.

Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:34 pm to
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The last 2 months we had an injury at LG and that’s it.



Charles missed Ole Miss as well as Brumsfield, and Brumsfield continued to play hurt, it was quite noticeable


but hey guys, here, go out and try and gel as a unit against Miss St, Bama and Florida. Three of the best fronts in the whole country. Not to mention UGA and A&M have sick fronts too
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:34 pm to
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I'm not even going to speak to Ben, because he is absolutely idiotic. Is the argument right now, that LSU's offensive line sucked, therefore the offense was terrible. And FSU's line was also terrible, and having a good QB and RB did them no good? But LSU signing two good RBs will solve all LSU's problems, unlike it did for FSU. And that the OLine they claimed was terrible for LSU will somehow return as a dominating OLine in the SEC? I haven't read back, so correct me if I'm wrong (not a village idiot though. Someone with over three brain cells please).

I don't think there can be any argument that we had OL issues. Whether it was injuries, talent or coaching can be debated. As much heat Grimes got he had the OL performing better at the end of 2017. I can't say the same for Cregg, but it may be personnel. Honestly IDK. I'd give Cregg another year to implement his system, but it hasn't looked good so far.

It's possible to point to personnel deficiencies and coaching as issues. I'm very skeptical of SE so the posters that are applauding my latest posts will likely downvote me now.

I'm just trying to be objective which usually gets me attacked by both sides.
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:39 pm to
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I don't think there can be any argument that we had OL issues. Whether it was injuries, talent or coaching can be debated.


Burrow gets his fair share of blame. He consistently failed to identify pressures. That's something both he and Cushenberry have to get better at.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:43 pm to
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Pretty much. The offensive line was not very good this year, but it's all but guaranteed to be better in 2019. Also, those two freshman RBs are going to be better in than Leonard Fournette. That about sums it up.

Nice hyperbole. Only one player is leaving and he is replaced by a player that outperformed him (Hines). We are adding the #1 OG in the country. When was the last time LSU had a #1 OG or OT? The returning OL, almost all of them will have had a full year with the same OC and OL coach. They will have the same QB, the same WRs, at least one RB1/2 and 2 new elite RBs.

So be perfectly honest. Would it be logical to expect an improved OL performance?

I'll also caveat this question with the fact that even before we lost Ingram LSU was 13th in the SEC in number of starts for our returning OL in front of only Auburn. I would guess that once Ingram dropped we fell to dead last in the SEC.
Posted by TigerLunatik
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:45 pm to
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I'm just trying to be objective which usually gets me attacked by both sides

That's the way it tends to go sometimes.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:47 pm to
that’s bullshite

1. We started Charles, Traore, Magee Deculus, Lewis, Brumsfield, Hines and Cush.

2. We started Charles, Cush, Lewis and Deculus together 8 times. Including Auburn and every game after October 1st. At some point couldn’t those 4 have some semblance of cohesion?

3. Almost all of the OT switching happened in September when we were playing Ole Miss, Southeastern, And La Tech. Again almost completely set after

4. We returned 2 starters and played 2 true freshmen lastbyear and had a better offense.

5. We needed depth at all of 1 position the last 2 months of the season. All that bullshite about being out of position can explain early trouble but it’s BS.

Charles literally only missed games we knew we could win no matter what.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:50 pm to
we played Ole Miss in September

And we had our best offensive game of the year against them.


PLEASE GENIUS LESTER!

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE?

IT BLOWS MY POOR MORTAL MIND!!!!!
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52205 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:54 pm to
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Nice hyperbole. Only one player is leaving and he is replaced by a player that outperformed him (Hines). We are adding the #1 OG in the country. When was the last time LSU had a #1 OG or OT? The returning OL, almost all of them will have had a full year with the same OC and OL coach. They will have the same QB, the same WRs, at least one RB1/2 and 2 new elite RBs.

So be perfectly honest. Would it be logical to expect an improved OL performance?


Logical? No. We don't who is/isn't returning for sure yet. Also, going from very bad to just bad can be considered an improvement.

I'll get excited when LSU's offensive line is expected to actually be good, not just "better than terrible".

That's not going to be 2019, in my opinion.

quote:

2. We started Charles, Cush, Lewis and Deculus together 8 times. Including Auburn and every game after October 1st. At some point couldn’t those 4 have some semblance of cohesion? 

3. Almost all of the OT switching happened in September when we were playing Ole Miss, Southeastern, And La Tech. Again almost completely set after 


Sammy did the leg work already. This is why I don't believe the line will get much better. They had continuity in late October and November, and they played worse.

I'm also not hanging my hopes on a sophomore tackle who didnt play this year stepping in and being a SEC caliber starter right away.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 3:58 pm
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:58 pm to
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Logical? No. We don't who is/isn't returning for sure yet

Really? Who do you think would possibly be leaving besides Brumfield the senior?
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:59 pm to
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we played Ole Miss in September



If our last game was Nov 24, two months from that would be Sept 24.

We played Ole Miss September 29.

Your own criteria said 2 months. .

quote:

And we had our best offensive game of the year against them.



Ole Miss was the 2nd worst defensive team on our schedule after Rice.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79428 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:02 pm to
But but but OL

The cohesiveness

We were missing 3 starters.

Playing people out of position

Our maybe

All that is bullshite and the reason we looked like shite most of the year is because we weren’t good enough.

We looked better last year when we returned 2 starters, moved one of them to center, played 2 true freshmen at 2 different positions and lost out LT mid season.

Lastbyear Malone misses 6 games, Weathersby missed 2 fil games and had injury issues in others. We alternated Charles and Ingram and RG, played Charles at Rg, RT and LT. And STILL played better.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 4:05 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:03 pm to
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Really? Who do you think would possibly be leaving besides Brumfield the senior?


Fine. LSU is returning 4 starters from its worst offensive line in a decade and they will go from terrible to pretty bad.

Improvement.
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