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re: The Official BCS Thread 10/25 - LSU #9 in OFFICIAL STANDINGS
Posted on 10/25/09 at 5:48 pm to lsumatt
Posted on 10/25/09 at 5:48 pm to lsumatt
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Boise State vs Cincinnati - Fiesta
1) Why would the Fiesta Bowl take Boise and Cincy instead of USC? They wouldn't.
two undefeated teams over a two loss USC team, I could see the Fiesta Bowl wanting to do this
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 5:52 pm
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Posted on 10/25/09 at 5:54 pm to lsumatt
Thanks, But you never Know. Slim Chances Just like your predictions in our 07' NC
Maybe Bama Loses to Miss st after us (the LSU effect!)
Boise State vs Cincinnati (Battle of the Undefeated BCS Busters)
Fiesta takes them over a 2-3 loss USC
Maybe Bama Loses to Miss st after us (the LSU effect!)
Boise State vs Cincinnati (Battle of the Undefeated BCS Busters)
Fiesta takes them over a 2-3 loss USC
Posted on 10/25/09 at 6:14 pm to TigerintheNO
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two undefeated teams over a two loss USC team, I could see the Fiesta Bowl wanting to do this
I could see the Fiesta Bowl wanting $$$$$ rather than a good matchup.
They will take the remaining eligible team that will bring in the most money. If it was close in $$$, they might take the better team(s). But USC $$ compared to Boise and Cincy $$ is not close.
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 6:44 pm to lsumatt
How can they possible have USC ranked above LSU? This poll stuff is all bullshite.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 7:08 pm to BamaScoop
It's not just the fact there ahead of us, it's the fact there ahead of 3 undefeated Teams and Us 
I hope the Ducks stomp the shite outta them
The Media Love for USC and ND
I hope the Ducks stomp the shite outta them
The Media Love for USC and ND
Posted on 10/25/09 at 7:21 pm to lsumatt
USC #4, LSU #9 is a joke. LSU beat Washington who beat USC. LSU loses to the number 1 team in the country and USC loses to an unranked opponent....we need a playoff in the worse way especially in a season with no clear cut number 1 team. 
Posted on 10/25/09 at 7:50 pm to dukke v
quote:I agree. tOSU is a different team in the shoe. They'll handle Iowa like they did Wisconsin.
They beat Iowa by 3 td's!!!!
Posted on 10/25/09 at 7:51 pm to lsumatt
How is there ever an argument that USC is not only the best one loss team, but better than 3 undefeated teams?
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 8:09 pm to LSU Red24
Probably Germans, but I'll post it anyway. Nice ESPN article on the Tigers possibilities the rest of the season. Hope it pans out that way.
Even at No. 9, LSU sitting pretty
EDIT...thought it might be Germans - here's the original thread
ESPN Loves LSU
Even at No. 9, LSU sitting pretty
EDIT...thought it might be Germans - here's the original thread
ESPN Loves LSU
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 8:10 pm to lsumatt
These standings are a freaking joke. USC #5??? Congrats to the Trojans for their impressive 6 point victory over Oregon St. Quality I think not. Sorry computer that the Tigers lost to the #1 team in the country and that USC lost in the same venue that the Tigers won at. At the end of the day we hold our own destiny, but for now since it is in the present, we are allowed to complain.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 8:19 pm to prush
I have been telling peeps for two weeks to stop complaining......Oregon shows up and beats SC at home. This is a very good all around Duck team that can score on offense, defense, special teams. Oh yeah........they have a defense that is playing pretty damn good, especially in the red zone. SC is done next week!
All LSU has to do is keep winning and it will work out. Period!
All LSU has to do is keep winning and it will work out. Period!
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 8:48 pm to MasonTiger
Like I keep pointing out, IMO a 1-loss SEC champion (whether LSU, Bama, or Florida) will hop undefeated Iowa in the BCS standings when all is said and done. It's a no-brainer that a 1-loss LSU will hop a 1-loss USC if that indeed happens IMO ... LSU will have a "better loss" (Florida vs Washington) as well as have played a tougher schedule, not to mention will have a win in the only common opponent/venue game that the two teams have played (at Washington) wheras USC will have a loss against that same Washington team and at that same venue where LSU won.
Whether right or wrong in regards to LSU vs Iowa, LSU has a good chance to jump and undefeated Iowa (I put the odds at 75%) as the computers will likely put the SEC champ ahead on the strength of the extra game against a Top10 opponent. Furthermore, I think there is an even better chance that both the two human polls put a 1-loss SEC champion ahead of an undefeated Big10 team based on the SEC's thumping of the Big 10 in two of the last three BCS title games.
Brad Edwards, ESPN BCS guru:
Whether right or wrong in regards to LSU vs Iowa, LSU has a good chance to jump and undefeated Iowa (I put the odds at 75%) as the computers will likely put the SEC champ ahead on the strength of the extra game against a Top10 opponent. Furthermore, I think there is an even better chance that both the two human polls put a 1-loss SEC champion ahead of an undefeated Big10 team based on the SEC's thumping of the Big 10 in two of the last three BCS title games.
Brad Edwards, ESPN BCS guru:
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After a weekend of close calls for some of the nation's top teams, not much has changed.
Only Florida, Alabama and Texas still unquestionably control their fate in the national championship race, but there's one other team that might not need any outside assistance to reach the top 2 by the end of the regular season.
That's LSU. Yes, No. 9 LSU.
Iowa, USC, TCU, Boise State and Cincinnati all rank ahead of the Tigers in this week's BCS standings, but those teams don't have a closing schedule that would enable them to jump over Texas or the SEC champion. LSU's advantage is that it can become the SEC champion just by winning its remaining games.
It's by no means a sure thing, but the strength of the Southeastern Conference puts the once-beaten Tigers in a more favorable position than several teams they currently trail in the standings.
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 8:53 pm to JPLSU1981
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Like I keep pointing out, IMO a 1-loss SEC champion (whether LSU, Bama, or Florida) will hop undefeated Iowa in the BCS standings when all is said and done.
I can see where You, Brad and others think this, but the math doesn't really add up. Iowa will be at least #2, and probably #1 in the computers with LSU #3. That is too much ground to make up in the human polls. Virtually every voter would have to put Iowa behind a 1 loss team. Lots of weird things would have to happen for LSU to finish above Iowa in the computers.
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as the computers will likely put the SEC champ ahead
No offense, but you are talking out of your arse. I have run the Colley Matrix simulation and Iowa comes out #1 by a long shot, Texas #2...and LSU actually at #4 right behind USC. The other computers won't be much different - Iowa will likely be ahead in all or almost all of them
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 8:59 pm to lsumatt
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No offense, but you are talking out of your arse. I have run the Colley Matrix simulation and Iowa comes out #1 by a long shot, Texas #2...and LSU actually at #4 right behind USC. The other computers won't be much different - Iowa will likely be ahead in all or almost all of them
There's no way to assume that the "other computers won't be much different" than the Colley Matrix. That's just an opinion.
My main point is that it is going to get very interesting if comes down to an undefeated Iowa versus a 1-loss SEC champion. It most certainly will come down to the "talking heads" ... "talking in" the SEC over the Big10 in regards to the human polls ... and it's going to be very, very, very close in the computers and in the final BCS standings.
All that said, I can only hope that we are still having this argument in December, because that means LSU will have rolled through the remainder of our schedule, which will please me to no end. lol
Also, does the Colley Matrix simulation allow you to put in the SEC Championship game as a future game or did you just run it through the end of the regular season?
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:05 pm to JPLSU1981
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There's no way to assume that the "other computers won't be much different" than the Colley Matrix. That's just an opinion.
Its not just an opinion. Empirical evidence shows that they tend to be close at the end. Hell, Iowa is ahead of UNDEFEATED SEC teams right now, you think a 1-loss SEC team is gonna pass them in most of the computers?
I know Iowa's schedule looks mediocre. But to the computers their schedule is SOLID. The computers love Arizona and Iowa State aint bad for a second OOC game. I think LSU will have a better SOS, but not good enough to overcome a loss.
Now I agree the voters will give LSU some love, especially with them avenging their only loss. But if I am right about Iowa being possibly 2 computer spots above LSU...that is almost insurmountable unless other teams (like Cincy) get wedged in there. I think it will be an interesting argument and I know I am going against Brad Edwards...but the math aint adding up for me.
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:06 pm to JPLSU1981
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Also, does the Colley Matrix simulation allow you to put in the SEC Championship game as a future game or did you just run it through the end of the regular season?
I made the simulation and I can put in whatever I want, so yeah I have LSU beating Florida.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:34 pm to lsumatt
Matt, you keep stating that Iowa would be ahead inthe computers. And I won't dispute that because you obviously know about that which you are talking.
But please allow me to consider some bcs math...
Let's say that Texas and Iowa finish unbeaten and LSU wins out. And those are the top 3 teams in the computers and in the polls. It seems to me that if Iowa is tops in the computers, but 3rd in both polls, and LSU is 3rd in the computers, but 2nd in both polls, then we would be to the point that we are looking at actual vote totals. (Iowa = 1+3+3 = 7; LSU = 3+2+2 = 7). Both schools would have the same "ordinal" ranking. It would then come down to vote totals and BCS decimal points. It seems like it could be very close.
Not a sure thing, but that it will be very close to evaluate and differentiate between unbeaten Big Ten Champ Iowa and Once Beaten SEC Champ LSU, who also happened to avenge their only loss.
But please allow me to consider some bcs math...
Let's say that Texas and Iowa finish unbeaten and LSU wins out. And those are the top 3 teams in the computers and in the polls. It seems to me that if Iowa is tops in the computers, but 3rd in both polls, and LSU is 3rd in the computers, but 2nd in both polls, then we would be to the point that we are looking at actual vote totals. (Iowa = 1+3+3 = 7; LSU = 3+2+2 = 7). Both schools would have the same "ordinal" ranking. It would then come down to vote totals and BCS decimal points. It seems like it could be very close.
Not a sure thing, but that it will be very close to evaluate and differentiate between unbeaten Big Ten Champ Iowa and Once Beaten SEC Champ LSU, who also happened to avenge their only loss.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 7:36 am to lsumatt
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LSU continues to be in good shape if they win out and would likely only need Texas or Iowa to lose.
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Iowa: vs. Indiana; vs. N'western; at tOSU; vs. Minnesota
Texas: at Okie St.; vs. UCF; at Baylor; vs. KU; at TAMU
Uh oh. Iowa at Ohio State would be the only reasonable shot at a loss by either of those teams.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 8:07 am to lsumatt
Great work thanks!
Boise St. and Cinn. have one thing in common. Miami (OH) on the schedule.
This is a team that has lost every single game this season by a combined score of 275 - 93.
WOW! That deserves a top ten ranking doesn't it. Looks like SOS means nothing (and I know that was thrown out), but it should still be a consideration for the human voters.
Even though we do control our own destiny, it's still UNBELIEVABLE!
Boise St. and Cinn. have one thing in common. Miami (OH) on the schedule.
This is a team that has lost every single game this season by a combined score of 275 - 93.
WOW! That deserves a top ten ranking doesn't it. Looks like SOS means nothing (and I know that was thrown out), but it should still be a consideration for the human voters.
Even though we do control our own destiny, it's still UNBELIEVABLE!
Posted on 10/26/09 at 8:12 am to lsumatt
Unranked Arkansas & #22 Ole Miss would destroy either Boise St. or Cinn. I would love to see that happen in a bowl game, but unfortunately those two "overrated" teams will be in better bowls if this keeps up. Crazy.
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