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The no BS look at the OOC Basketball Schedule for next season

Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:47 am
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:47 am
So I thought I would put numbers behind the schedule in this outlook on the basketball OOC schedule. Seems like most people are heavily discouraged, which I get, from seeing such a poor home slate.

On and, TL:DR, I know...

The way I am approaching this is two-fold:
1. What each opponent's running 3 RPI average is (Simple average of last 3 years), since this is a big part of what goes into scheduling...RPIs and record taken from warren nolan's website
2. Their outlook for next season, ie how good were they last season, who do they have returning, etc

Nov. 6 vs. Southeastern Louisiana
2015-16: 10-21 (332 RPI)
2016-17: 14-16 (251 RPI)
2017-18: 19-12 (148 RPI)
3 year average: 244 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: The good news here is while their RPI average is bad the last 3 years, they've improved every year, up to 148 last season. They won the Southland Conference last season. Going into next year looks a bit iffy as they lose a handful of seniors many of which were starters, but they do return 2 double figure scorers in 6'7 forward Greenwood and 5'9 guard Veal who will both be seniors. They do have a couple transfers from Tulane and Texas State who will be eligible this year. This should be a game better than people think, but unlikely they are an RPI Top 100 team. Jay Ladner has done a good job with this program.


Nov. 9 vs. UNC-Greensboro
2015-16: 12-19 (233 RPI)
2016-17: 22-10 (98 RPI)
2017-18: 24-8 (66 RPI)
3 year average: 132 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: It took several years, but Wes Miller has his program going, winning the Southern conference the last 2 seasons and going to the NCAAT last season. They lose a couple starters, but return a very solid core group. Expect more of the same from UNCG this year, likely best team in the SoCon and a likely Top 100 RPI matchup for us.


Nov. 13 vs. Memphis
2015-16: 19-15 (140 RPI)
2016-17: 19-13 (119 RPI)
2017-18: 21-13 (108 RPI)
3 year average: 122 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: After underacheiving to program stands recently Memphis hired a new coach in Penny Hardaway. Remains to be seen what kind of impact he has in year 1, but he has a really nice team returning for him. they return by far their 2 best players in Davenport and Martin who will be seniors. they also have a few incoming 4-star freshmen guards who they expect to make an immediate impact. Look for this to be a pretty tough game for us, and another RPI Top 100 opponent.


Nov. 16 vs. Louisiana Tech
2015-16: 21-10 (129 RPI)
2016-17: 21-10 (116 RPI)
2017-18: 15-16 (192 RPI)
3 year average: 146

2018-19 Outlook: After Mike White left for Florida, Eric Konkol came in to LT and his first 2 years were very solid but last season saw quite a dip. Unfortunately, things look even more bleak going into next season. they lose only 1 senior starter off last year's team plus a part time starter, but they also lost their best returning player to transfer in Jalen Harris. They also lost 3 MORE players to transfer (to be fair, 2 were end of bench players) and haven't added any immediately eligible transfers to date. Guards Bracey and Jean will have to be big time leaders for this team to even repeat what they did last season. I do not expect this to be better than a RPI 150-200 matchup.


Nov. 22-25 vs. Advocare Invitational in Orlando
We could face many different teams here, but just know this is where we can help out ourselves a lot with a couple wins. No bracket is set yet, but there are some nice teams in this tournament.


Dec. 1 vs. Grambling State
2015-16: 4-24 (350 RPI)
2016-17: 13-17 (321 RPI)
2017-18: 16-14 (246 RPI)
3 year average: 306 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: I'll make this one short, Grambling is getting better but they wont be any better than that 250ish range in RPI. SWAC teams basically never are good in the RPI.


Dec. 9 vs. Incarnate Word
2015-16: 14-11 (167 RPI)
2016-17: 8-17 (301 RPI)
2017-18: 3-21 (348 RPI)
3 year average: 272 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: This team is flat out going in the wrong direction. I would take time to break them down like others, but honestly, they are just going to suck badly again, It will be a blessing if they are not an RPI 300+ team.


Dec. 12 @ Houston
2015-16: 22-10 (90 RPI)
2016-17: 21-11 (62 RPI)
2017-18: 27-8 (20 RPI)
3 year average: 57 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: Houston just gets better and better under head coach Kelvin Sampson. This year could be a bit tougher, Rob Gray was an elite player they are finally losing as well as another starter in Devin Davis and 6th man Wes VanBeck. They have 3 players transferring out, but were all next to non contributors last season. They add a grad transfer form Appalachian State who I wouldnt expect to be much of a contributor. They add a 4-star freshman who they expect to give them minutes in Nate Hinton though. All in all, I think you can expect a solid, but unspectacular Houston team this year. Corey Davis Jr. will be the team's leader. Likely RPI Top 100, but in the 75-100 range.


Dec. 15 vs. Saint Mary's in Las Vegas
2015-16: 28-6 (29 RPI)
2016-17: 29-5 (17 RPI)
2017-18: 30-6 (46 RPI)
3 year average: 31 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: Randy Bennett, one of the best college coaches nobody ever talks about, has put Saint Mary's on the map. This is a consistently very good team that just keeps dominating the WCC and racking up wins overall. This will be one of his toughest coaching jobs because he loses 3 starters, including best player Jock Landale, and a heavy rotation player in Cullen Neal off his team last year. Even their 6th man, Evan Fitzner, is grad transferring. HOWEVER, while most expect them to drop off a LOT, I really don't think they will by that much. They got a 7'3 grad transfer from Seattle who can play, they also got a 4-star 6'10 freshman coming in. On top of that they have return a 7'1 center and 6'10 center. It's a very tall front court and they could use that to their advantage in a league like the WCC to abuse a lot of teams down low. They could use that front court to abuse really many teams on their schedule. I expect this to still be a very tough neutral matchup for us, with their RPI staying inside the Top 100 and in the 50-75 range is my expectation.


Dec. 21 vs. Furman
2015-16: 17-16 (176 RPI)
2016-17: 21-12 (90 RPI)
2017-18: 21-10 (96 RPI)
3 year average: 121 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: Head coach Bob Richey had a very nice 1st year at Furman, however, he loses 3 starters, all among his best players. Brown and Rafferty are senior returning starters however so they have some nice experience still. I expect this team to take a step back, and be a RPI 150ish range team this upcoming season.


Dec. 28 vs. UL-Monroe
2015-16: 18-14 (104 RPI)
2016-17: 7-24 (294 RPI)
2017-18: 13-16 (224 RPI)
3 year RPI average: 207 RPI

2018-19 Outlook: The Warhawks is a team Wade said he expected to be a lot better this upcoming season. They do lose 2 double figure starters, but return 2 key starters in sophmore Michael Ertel and senior Travis Munnings who both were great for ULM last year. Harris is grad transfer who should also help some. I expect ULM to be in the 150ish range in RPI.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 10:48 am
Posted by NOSTRODAMUS
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:53 am to
I’ll sum all that up in one word: Crap

He could have at least scheduled one powerhouse home game. Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, Texas.
Posted by PTLSU
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:53 am to
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:57 am to
The OOC schedule you have doesn't include potential high RPI matchups in the Advocare tournament. It's smart scheduling, by playing the highest RPI teams either on the road or neutral sites where wins gain more points and losses cost you less. Yes, our home OOC games are not great, but our home SEC schedule is stacked.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 11:07 am
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:00 am to
CWW said he knows how to manipulate the RPI, he wasn't wrong.

quote:

For Division 1 NCAA Men's basketball, the WP factor of the RPI was updated in 2004 to account for differences in home, away, and neutral games. A home win now counts as 0.6 win, while a road win counts as 1.4 wins. Inversely, a home loss equals 1.4 losses, while a road loss counts as 0.6 loss. A neutral game counts as 1 win or 1 loss. This change was based on statistical data that consistently showed home teams in Division I basketball winning about two-thirds of the time.[3]


It doesn't matter who you beat at home, it only counts as 0.6 wins in the RPI calculation. You have to win some games on the road and at neutral sites. Conversly, you can't lose games you're supposed to win at home, like SFA last year. Kudos to CWW for getting us more neutral site and OOC road games this year and keeping the rent-a-wins at home. It'll be Lob City this year with Tremont and the bigs. That St. Mary's game in Vegas will be awesome.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 11:06 am
Posted by The Truth 34
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Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:01 am to
quote:

He could have at least scheduled one powerhouse home game. Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, Texas.


yea, I'm sure Duke will come play us at the PMAC. this isn't 1992.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

It doesn't matter who you beat at home, it only counts as 0.6 wins in the RPI calculation. You have to win some games on the road and at neutral sites. Conversly, you can't lose games you're supposed to win at home, like SFA last year.


Based upon that logic you would think more big schools would be interested in home and home matchups, particularly with the "tier groupings" in place. To get a tier 1 win at home the opponent has to be a top 30 RPI team. To get a tier 1 win on the road, an opponent only has to be top 75. If there is less "penalty" for losing on the road, then it would make sense to go out an play really good teams on the road because the potential reward is higher than the risk (a loss).

I get what Wade is doing. He's trying to avoid losses at home while also trying to make sure those home opponents aren't complete dog shite. I suspect Grambling and Incarnate Word (San Antonio) are on the schedule as "last ditch" opponents because other lower-tier mid majors may have wanted too much money to come here to play LSU.

However, my one issue with the schedule is this. You knew going into the season LSU doesn't have the SEC/Big 12 challenge opponent and that the Advocare tournament doesn't appear to have the meat like the Maui tournament last year. Villanova is obviously really good. Hopefully LSU can play them. But even then, you're also hoping two notoriously inconsistent teams, FSU and Oklahoma St., come through for you as good (top 50) teams. You also knew Memphis still isn't "back" yet. With that, I would have liked to have seen one more solid team on the OOC schedule (solid being a team usually in the top 100), even if that game was on the road.

The SEC should be good this year. But it will also be tough. You'd like to have that margin for error in SEC play that a good OOC schedule could provide (ask A&M and Bama from last year). Looking at the schedule...on paper...in June, IMO LSU can't lose anymore than 2 OOC games, or else they are really going to have to make some hay in SEC play. 11+ wins

Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:12 pm to
Its simple, unless you have a ton of top 50, or even top 75 non-conference matchups on your schedule, you should never even consider playing teams like Grambling or Incarnate Word. Just having them on our schedule could drop us a seed due to SOS.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 12:14 pm
Posted by oauron
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:18 pm to
Both of those games are during finals week. They're cream puffs for a reason.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:20 pm to
I'd rather not have SWAC teams on the schedule too, but I don't think RPI will be a problem this year.


Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68332 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

Its simple, unless you have a ton of top 50, or even top 75 non-conference matchups on your schedule, you should never even consider playing teams like Grambling or Incarnate Word. Just having them on our schedule could drop us a seed due to SOS.



Not necessarily

Villanova was a 1 seed last year, they had not 1 but 2 games against RPI 300+ teams OOC (Columbia, Lafayette). They played 4 Top 100 RPI teams OOC, granted 3 of the 4 were Top 50. They also played RPI 205 La Salle though.

They did a great job in OOC scheduling overall though because they played SIX neutral court matchups and 2 road games. HUGE RPI boosters...only 4 home OOC games
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:28 pm to
Exams are 12/3 - 12/8.

Grambling is 12/1
Incanate Word is 12/9

If you want to use the exams excuse for Incarnate Word, fine. Not for Grambling though. Especially when you have a 6 day break before you play Grambling.
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

They did a great job in OOC scheduling overall though because they played SIX neutral court matchups and 2 road games. HUGE RPI boosters...only 4 home OOC games



That's what I'm saying. You always see the top tier teams playing in multiple neutral site locations OOC. As long as you don't lose any of the cream puff games, your RPI is still boosted due to where you play the tougher games. You can play all top 150 games at home, if you lose any of them, you're penalized for playing a tough schedule. If you play all top 150 games on the road, you're only rewarded with a higher SOS and not penalized for any losses.
Posted by Cottonport
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:00 pm to
Impressive write up Thunderbird! This probably took awhile to compose.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:12 pm to
Frankly I’m fine with it. I trust WW’s coaching ability thus far enough to not worry about losing games we shouldn’t.

Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
3698 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:16 pm to
If you notice the reason we are playing incarnate word is for a tune up game. It’s the first game after finals week and 3 days before the Houston game. We needed an easy game there to fine tune things and get back to playing basketball. I’m excited for the tourney we are in and should get some good games in. And then the Memphis and Houston games will be good. Penny has Memphis going the right direction.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:30 pm to
We’re sitting here worried about this RPI stuff but at the end of the day, if we win the games we are capable of winning then we’ll be in the tournament.

Winning games will also make us more a attractive opponent to schedule in the future.

It comes back to the old saying “build it and they will come.”

Build the program up as a winner, and talented teams will cime knocking on the door to play us.
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
7541 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 2:45 pm to
This is true, our 3yr RPI avg is not great.

2017-18 - 93
2016-17 - 183
2015-16 - 94

Avg = 123
Posted by benoit_BayouBengals
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:14 pm to
Top 3 recruiting class, and we find something to complain about.

The SEC is loaded this year with plenty of oppurtunities to build that tournament resume. When the games your suppose to win in non-conference and go 1-1 against houston and St Mary.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68332 posts
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

We’re sitting here worried about this RPI stuff but at the end of the day, if we win the games we are capable of winning then we’ll be in the tournament.

Winning games will also make us more a attractive opponent to schedule in the future.


I dont think too many people are worried about making vs. not making the tournament, just more what kind of seeding we get. The hope is that the Grambling/Incarnate Word/ULM/LT's of the schedule dont drag us down to a lower 8/9 type seed from maybe 4-6 if we finished like 12-6/11-7 in conference play. I'm confident in Wade's ability to win the games on the schedule, but I do worry about what the worse teams will end up doing to our RPI.

The OOC tournament could really be where we make up a lot of ground with some wins.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 3:19 pm
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