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The most correctable issue that we can’t seem to figure out

Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:31 am
Posted by crotiger0307
Northshore
Member since Jan 2018
474 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:31 am
How do we continuously run routes a yard or 2 short of the sticks on 3rd and medium??

I understand 3rd and 10 and you dump off short and hope to make a man miss, but I counted at least 4 times last night where we were in a 3rd and 4/5/6 scenario and the receiver gets tackled immediately after catching the ball only to look up and it’s 4th and 1….

How do high level coaches and players allow this to happen multiple times? Seems to be one of the most fundamental aspects of the forward pass, PUSH YOUR ROUTE ON 3RD DOWN.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
27941 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:35 am to
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I understand 3rd and 10 and you dump off short and hope to make a man miss,

Those are check downs. Those are not the routes he was told to throw. Either the receivers were not open

OR

NUSS WAS SCARED OF MAKING MISTAKES AND IMPATIENT IN PLAY DEVELOPMENT ie what we saw with Daniels.

The biggest difference is his lack of desire to pull the ball even on first down run plays to keep the fricking defense honest. He needs QB run plays called to fricking force his arse to act show it
Posted by crotiger0307
Northshore
Member since Jan 2018
474 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:38 am to
I would agree with you if I didn’t witness the first half and the amount of chunk plays we had picking up 7-8 yards at a time on simple timing routes. Nuss was aware in the pocket and throwing confidently and connecting.

I understand we are young at receiver, but our skill position players are plenty good enough to win a 1 on 1 for a 5+ yard gain. We seem to play for 4 yards on 3rd and 4 and it has been a problem for the past few years.
Posted by SDTiger15
lost in Cali
Member since Jan 2005
11527 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:39 am to
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The most correctable issue that we can’t seem to figure out


Don’t run straight up the middle when everyone on the planet knows we are going to run straight up the middle?
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
27941 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:40 am to
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I understand we are young at receiver, but our skill position players are plenty good enough to win a 1 on 1 for a 5+ yard gain. We seem to play for 4 yards on 3rd and 4 and it has been a problem for the past few years.

Do you recall the play where he got anse and threw it 20 yards downfield and the receiver was not there? Look at that drive and that play. Then look at the check downs. He lost confidence.
Posted by BlackAngus
350 Sonic Blvd
Member since Jan 2020
2152 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:41 am to
Or how about we ditch the slow arse read option plays, and start running power run schemes, that our "big and strong" RBs fit.

The run scheme we have now fits smaller, pass catching type backs, we have guys like Kaleb Jackson, who have to tip toe through a fricking hole, instead of hitting the hole running like a big back needs to do.

Leonard Fournette would have been a 4th rounder had he played for this offense. The run scheme is absolutely useless, and does not put the RBs we have in favorable positions to succeed.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 10:42 am
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
39330 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:43 am to
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How do we continuously run routes a yard or 2 short of the sticks on 3rd and medium??


Do you really think that's all of the routes they're running?

They're trying to attack all levels of the defense.

I would've liked to have seen verts called though so I do understand the sentiment.
Posted by crotiger0307
Northshore
Member since Jan 2018
474 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:44 am to
If we’re thinking about the same play it was a man beater route with 2 receivers where SC dropped into zone, wasn’t gonna work anyway.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46575 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:46 am to
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I understand 3rd and 10 and you dump off short and hope to make a man miss, but I counted at least 4 times last night where we were in a 3rd and 4/5/6 scenario and the receiver gets tackled immediately after catching the ball only to look up and it’s 4th and 1

The reason is that the pass was not supposed to go to that guy. His route is run at a certain depth to try to get spacing for someone else. Then the first and second options aren’t available, or the QB just fails to hit them, and so the QB checks down to the decoy route to avoid a sack and hope the receiver can run for the first.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46575 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:48 am to
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start running power run schemes, that our "big and strong" RBs fit.

Our biggest and strongest got his arse handed to him by USC’s safeties.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3712 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:49 am to
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How do we continuously run routes a yard or 2 short of the sticks on 3rd and medium?? I understand 3rd and 10 and you dump off short and hope to make a man miss, but I counted at least 4 times last night where we were in a 3rd and 4/5/6 scenario and the receiver gets tackled immediately after catching the ball only to look up and it’s 4th and 1…. How do high level coaches and players allow this to happen multiple times? Seems to be one of the most fundamental aspects of the forward pass, PUSH YOUR ROUTE ON 3RD DOWN.


In general, they’re operating as though the offensive line is the strength of the team, especially in run blocking. 3rd and 1 (or 4th and 1) is manageable every time if you get enough push from the OL. The issue with play calling seems to be that run blocking is not proving to be a strength of the team.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 10:51 am
Posted by Sevensblue
Las Vegas
Member since Apr 2022
1750 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:51 am to
Wrong. The most correctable issue is not dancing around after every play. Taking off your helmet...penalties
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
27941 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:53 am to
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If we’re thinking about the same play it was a man beater route with 2 receivers where SC dropped into zone, wasn’t gonna work anyway.

There wasn’t a a defender no where near his target and the safety on that side checked down towards the flat. The play would have gone for a TD.
Nuss was made about it when he came tot he sideline. I don’t recall what receiver it was but he was a new guy.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
15986 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 11:07 am to
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would agree with you if I didn’t witness the first half and the amount of chunk plays we had picking up 7-8 yards at a time on simple timing routes. Nuss was aware in the pocket and throwing confidently and connecting.

That's because the DBs were giving such massive cushions in the 1st. His 1st option was open so he looked great. Defense made adjustments offense didn't. That's on Sloan and Nuss.

Or Nuss has some mental issue where once the pressure started to turn on late in the game he cracked.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
27941 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 11:08 am to
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Our biggest and strongest got his arse handed to him by USC’s safeties.

What’s funny is the Rant SWEARS the safeties were in zone coverage the entire game when Ramsey led them in tackles with 9 (5 solo) and Smith the corner kept coming on run blitzes and had 6 (3 solo).

USC had 51% of their 70 tackles were SOLO.
LSU had 43% of 63 tackles were solo.

They tackled in space and BROKE several tackles by the Mississippi St running back.

LSU wasn’t bad but they weren’t barn burners either.

That is going to be an issue again this season with bigger offensive lines they will face.

This game told me the LSU offensive line is the same as last season - good at pass protection and not great at run, and the defensive line improved a little but the jury is still out because USCs oline is not great. They are young.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
61196 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 11:46 am to
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Or Nuss has some mental issue where once the pressure started to turn on late in the game he cracked.


I wouldn’t call it “mental issues,” but he does have a tendency to retreat back when there’s a lot of pressure and throwing off his back foot. His arm is incredible, and he is able to hit a lot of those passes with incredible accuracy. But it does make them more difficult and it limits how far downfield the field he can hit somebody without putting the ball in danger. I thought he did a great job of not doing that last night.
Posted by LSUJuicer
Member since Jan 2013
3705 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 11:55 am to
I would say how it’s the ability to not keep doing what is working “in game” and instead use a close competitive game to practice what is not efficient.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46575 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:08 pm to
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What’s funny is the Rant SWEARS the safeties were in zone coverage the entire game when Ramsey led them in tackles

They were mostly in zone. Safeties in zone provide run support. Depending how the receivers line up, a safety usually has run support on one side or the other.
Posted by dchunk
NOLA
Member since Dec 2010
973 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:13 pm to
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Do you recall the play where he got anse and threw it 20 yards downfield and the receiver was not there? Look at that drive and that play. Then look at the check downs. He lost confidence.

There were several plays where he got ansy and forced a check down or a throw away. He had plenty of time and space to make a throw downfield or run. He can’t extend plays it seems.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 3:46 pm
Posted by OU812ME2
Earth
Member since Jun 2021
1161 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:43 pm to
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several plays where he got ansy


He got spooked for some odd reason. Might just be the nerves of a close game knowing you can't make a mistake. He looked worse as the game progressed and it seemed coached into him. That's not saying he didn't have a good game. But it was pretty obvious at the end his nerves got the best of him.
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