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re: The more I watch Paul Maineiri
Posted on 6/7/10 at 6:58 am to Jay Quest
Posted on 6/7/10 at 6:58 am to Jay Quest
So you think tat Manieri should COMPLETELY change the way his team plays, for that one inning, MAYBE tie the game and then go the rest of the way w/o his best hitter and all league catcher. Yeah, you got it. Thank God you are not the coach.
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:02 am to Lovethutigahs
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So you think tat Manieri should COMPLETELY change the way his team plays,
So what you're saying is that a Maineiri coached baseball is incapable of playing fundamental baseball. Or are you saying a Maineiri coached baseball team is one dimensional? Whatever you're saying it makes no sense.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:08 am to deuce985
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LSU won the NC on this same philosophy last year. I really don't see how people can question PM right now.
The problem as I see it with CPM is that he manages games like they are all going to be 11-10 games. His teams generally don't do the small things well enough to win the 4-3 games.
It is just like in football. If you have a team capable of scoring 35 pts/game, you coach differently than a coach whose team only scores 14 pts/game. You can afford to make more mistakes if you have a higher scoring offense. As a result, you don't have to coach every single play like it would decide the outcome of the game.
In a tight "pitching" contest every decision is magnified, and I think CPM becomes a very average manager during these types of games.
People's excuse for not bunting in the 8th and 9th innings is that LSU doesn't bunt well. Guess what? Bunting is part of baseball. Is it something that you do every game? No. But if you aren't good at it then maybe you should focus on it in practice more or have guys execute more during the 11-6 midweek games.
Personally, I think you have to let Gibbs swing the bat in that instance although he hasn't been the same Gibbs that he was a month ago. You already had a runner in scoring position. But if he were a better bunter, it sure would have been nice to have runners at 2nd and 3rd with one out. That opens up everything. A squeeze bunt, safety squeeze, long fly ball, runner leaving on contact to force a play at the plate, a passed ball or wild pitch, etc.
In the ninth inning, you had to bunt that runner over. No exceptions. You batter is a .280 hitter who strikes out often and is a double play threat. He doesn't play a fielding position. The decision should have been an easy one to pinch hit for someone to bunt.
Last year's team was talented enough to overcome these types of mistakes. They won games by a score of 4-3 that could have been 7-3. This team showed to be less talented and needed to do the small things better than last year's team. They didn't and that is why their season is over earlier than we expected.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:10 am to macatak911
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Yes you do, its odds. You have a better chance to score a run with runners on third and second and one out than you do with runners on first and second and no outs....regardless of who is at the plate.
This is just a completely illogical statement.
Who is at the plate, and who is on deck and in the hole ABSOLUTELY play into the equation.
As for the move, the people bitching about it are simply ignorant. If you ignore who is at bat, then the difference from a percentage standpoint of scoring at least 1 run is 3%. In other words, the chances of scoring a run with a man on 1st and 2nd with 0 outs is 72%. The chances of scoring a run with a man on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out is 75%.
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Then you have to factor in the fact that our best hitter was at the plate. Also, you have to consider that Irvine was likely going to walk Nola to force the double play next. And, you need to consider that what you'd end up with is Leon Landry at the plate with 1 out needing to get the ball out of the infield to score the run. Of course, Leon struggles against lefties, so he'd probably be facing a new left handed pitcher in that scenario.
The short of it is people to claim that this is baseball 101 and that this is an obvious play are simply incorrect. Either decision would have been reasonable by Mainieri. To say otherwise is foolish.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:14 am to moneyg
Thank you, money. I've been waiting for this post. Common knowledge dictates that bunting to move runners up when you have no outs is the correct move. Numbers-wise, though, that's not always the case.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:16 am to moneyg
Yea, I'm certain Maineiri had some useless chart spouting percentages at his disposal. Funny how the odds of scoring decrease when a runner on first is sacrificed to second and yet managers still employ the strategy.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:22 am to Jay Quest
I am very happy you are not the LSU head baseball coach.
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:24 am to Elleshoe
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you don't take the bat out of your best hitter's hands with 0 outs and a runner in scoring position IMO. Then, say you pinch hit for Gibbs and even only get the one run. Then you're tied without your catcher and without your best hitter. Not exactly the best situation to be in.
THIS!!!
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:24 am to LSURussian
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I am very happy you are not the LSU head baseball coach
Because I would have bunted in the eighth and ninth innings? LSU should make this scenario the first question asked when going through the process of hiring its next head baseball coach. I suspect most would say they would bunt in that situation thus disqualifying themselves from consideration.Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:30 am to Jay Quest
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Funny how the odds of scoring decrease when a runner on first is sacrificed to second and yet managers still employ the strategy.
This statment is evidence that you totally miss the point.
There are absolutely times when bunting a guy over makes sense. You have to consider the entire situation and all of the variables. Who is at the plate, who is on deck, etc.
Your assertion that it is a "no-brainer" decision is incorrect.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:38 am to moneyg
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This statment is evidence that you totally miss the point.
There are absolutely times when bunting a guy over makes sense. You have to consider the entire situation and all of the variables. Who is at the plate, who is on deck, etc.
Damn you guys are priceless. Here's the entire situation: Its an elimination game, you score or stop playing baseball for the year. Perhaps you don't bunt in the first inning but you'd be hard pressed to find coaches who wouldn't in the eighth with the season on the line.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:47 am to Jay Quest
Skip should've bunted Cresse in that 2000 National title game against Stanford in the bot of the 9th with runners on 1st and 2nd and 0 outs......right?
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:49 am to Jay Quest
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Jay Quest
So, in your opinion, neither Miles nor Maineiri can manage in-game situations. While you're on a roll, care to comment on Trent Johnson? How about Van Chancellor or Dennis Shaver?
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:50 am to josh336
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Skip should've bunted Cresse in that 2000 National title game against Stanford in the bot of the 9th with runners on 1st and 2nd and 0 outs......right?
Since the game was tied when Cresse went to bat its not the same situation.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:52 am to Jay Quest
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Since the game was tied when Cresse went to bat its not the same situation.
Its not entirely the same, but pretty much, you need to score 1 run anyway possible, right? 1 run wins the national title.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:55 am to 1984Tiger
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So, in your opinion, neither Miles nor Maineiri can manage in-game situations.
This is true. Neither are outstanding situational coaches.
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Trent Johnson?
Bad hire IMO. Won't move the program along.
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Van Chancellor
Given the situation with the previous coach his name and legacy made him a good hire at the time. However his time is in the past.
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Dennis Shaver
Following Pat Henry is like following John Wooden. He'll always suffer the comparison. In fact its worse than following Wooden since Henry is still coaching and achieving.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:56 am to Jay Quest
So, you don't think LSU has any good coaches, so who are the great coaches out there that we need to get?
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:59 am to josh336
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Its not entirely the same, but pretty much, you need to score 1 run anyway possible, right? 1 run wins the national title.
There's a huge difference between losing by a run late in the game and making decisions with the game tied. Whole different set of dynamics at play.
But to be honest, its likely Skip would have had Cresse swinging regardless of the score.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 8:00 am to Jay Quest
That's what I thought ... there are no good LSU coaches in your narrow opinion. I pity those that have to live with you on a daily basis, because they will never live up to your expectations. I really hope you don't have kids, because they will likely end up in therapy.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 8:01 am to Jay Quest
I like him better than Smoke
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