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The issue is a lack of talent

Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:22 am
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:22 am
I had a post a few days ago that reflected on the 2021 and 2022 defensive classes. These should be your juniors and seniors anchoring your defense right now. Ideally you have some strong NFL ready juniors this year but all we got out of that 2022 class was Perkins. The 2021 class was largely a bust and 2022 was a salvage job with a lot of late transfers that are gone now



2021:

This was O's last class and it was actually pretty highly rated. 247 had them ranked 4th overall. There were a lot of defensive recruits rated 4 stars with a 90+ rating plus two 5 stars. But most of them didn't pan out.


5 star DL Maason Smith
- we know the story, got some development time as a freshman, injured for the year in game 1 as a sophomore, didn't really make a huge impact in his return from injury as a junior, left early for the draft


5 star DB Sage Ryan- huge recruitment win over Alabama. Sage has been a multi year starter but you got a 5 star top 5 safety in the class and he hasn't panned out as that type of player.


4 star DB Damarius McGhee - top 10 CB in the class. Transferred after 2 seasons


4 star DB Derrick Davis Jr- another highly rated 4 star, top 5 safety in the class. Briefly moved to RB before he transferred after 2 seasons.

4 star DE Landon Jackson- a one time 5 star top 100 ranked player, dropped after a knee injury. Transferred to Arkansas after 1 season and has had a solid career for them


4 Star DE Savion Jones-- Savion has been a multi year starter for us. Probably a satisfactory outcome here

4 star DL Bryce Langston- transferred after appearing in 4 games over 3 seasons

4 star Matthew Langlois- played 9 games as a true freshman, out for the year after 2 games as a sophomore and missed the entire 2023 season before a medical retirement

4 star LB Zavier Carter-- transferred after 2 seasons

4 star LB Greg Penn- multi year starter at LB



[b]2022


This was Kelly's "first class". He didn't do most of the work on this class as O was fired in October and he was hired in December. It was a lighter class on defensive players and Kelly ended up going hard in the portal for starters that ended up helping us. Converse, Wingo, Brooks, Weeks, Foucha, Garner



5 Star LB Harold Perkins- It's hard to say Perkins didn't work out but he basically spent his entire career trying to find his best role and then got injured and is probably moving on


4 Star DE Quency Wiggins- high 4 star, top 50 player in the class. Registered 5 tackles in 2 seasons before transferring

4 star DB LaTerrence Welch- played in 22 games, never started, transferred after 2 seasons

4 star LB Demario Tolan- transferred after 1 season

3 Star DB Jordan Allen- Looks like a depth piece. Played in parts of 3 seasons including 2 starts this year

3 Star DB Jaelyn Davis-Robinson- transferred after 1 season

3 star DT- Tygee Hill- transferred after 9 games in 2 seasons



You can't pin 2021 and 2022 on Kelly. One wasn't his class and he arrived in December for the other. So 2023 is the first full class under Kelly. It's still early on that group but early returns aren't great. Here's the top 10 of that class, offensive and defensive

Lance Heard
DaShawn Womack
DJ Chester
Javien Toviano
Jalen Brown
Whit Weeks
Pimpton
Jaxon Howard
Shelton Sampson
Kaleb Jackson

This should have been the year where we start to see a turnaround and growth of talent in the program. Kelly's first true class should be making positive contributions as sophomores and RS Fr and what he should have done was go hard in the portal to supplement our lack of quality upper classman. None of those things are happened. Only Weeks is making a positive impact from the 2023 class.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 11:24 am
Posted by TigerBR1111
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
7604 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:24 am to
If we lose to Vanderbilt on Saturday will it be because of lack of talent?
Vanderbilt has proven that good coaching can overcome talent deficiencies.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 11:27 am
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
31569 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:26 am to
It will be because of a lack of talent and the team mailing it in, yes.


Losing to Vanderbilt does not nullify what the point of the OP was lmao
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
25241 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:26 am to
We are playing a lot worse than we were earlier in the season regardless of talent. How many interceptions did we drop yesterday? We're just not making plays when there is a chance to swing momentum.

The offense can't score TDs like earlier in the season either. Everything seems like a huge challenge right now. We don't have some of the 1st rounders we normally have, but we have enough talent to put up more points than we have these last few weeks.
Posted by TigerBR1111
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
7604 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:27 am to
quote:

the team mailing it in, yes.


That’s the only point I can agree on. It will not be because we do not have the talent to match up with Vanderbilt.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
99569 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:27 am to
quote:

If we lose to Vanderbilt on Saturday will it be because of lack of talent?



Well if that happens, it will likely be because Jardin Gilbert, Sage Ryan, Major Burns or Greg Penn whiffed on tackles, were slow to react to motion or took bad angles to a play. So, yes.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 11:28 am
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
31569 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:28 am to
He’s not talking about specifically Vanderbilt. How difficult is this to comprehend?

This team is completely devoid of playmakers. The OP is not wrong no matter how much you babble about us having more talent than Vanderbilt.
Posted by TigerBR1111
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
7604 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:29 am to
So you’re saying Vanderbilt may beat us because they have more talent than LSU?
Posted by High Life
Member since Dec 2014
2972 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:29 am to
We are getting worse each week. Brian has lost the players
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
18894 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:30 am to
No mention of a punter
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58728 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:31 am to
7th or 8th nationally in talent ranking. When you’re poorly coached you look like you can’t play, can’t believe people still don’t get this.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 11:31 am
Posted by TigerBR1111
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
7604 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:31 am to
Hey numbnuts. My question is valid
If we lose to Vanderbilt, it is because their coaching is getting more out of their players than LSU is getting out of their players.
That is coaching idiot. .
Posted by Demonbengal
Ruston
Member since May 2015
3437 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:31 am to
I don’t know if Vandy will beat us, but I do know they will play with more fire than us.
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
13951 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:31 am to
Shut up retard
Posted by bulldogger
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2010
2199 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:31 am to
TLDR
Posted by LSUFAN2005
Member since Aug 2004
1763 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:32 am to
That’s why I don’t blame Baker at all. First year and he basically has mac talent to use.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
38522 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:32 am to
quote:

Vanderbilt has proven that good coaching can overcome talent deficiencies.


That's a good point, and I'd make the claim that LSU did a lot of that in 2022.
Posted by HighRoller
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
4963 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:32 am to
Lack of talent falls on the coaches. It’s been 3 years.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
99569 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:33 am to
quote:

It will not be because we do not have the talent to match up with Vanderbilt.



You're looking at names on the helmet and defaulting to talent vs no talent.


Just being at LSU doesn't mean a player is more talented. Vanderbilt has a unique offense, they're good at running it. Ryan, Burns and Gilbert are fundamentally bad players. They can't tackle, they don't react quickly and they take bad routes to plays.

Just saying well it's Vanderbilt, we're better doesn't actually make those players any better at doing those things.
Posted by TigerBR1111
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
7604 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:34 am to
quote:

Just being at LSU doesn't mean a player is more talented. Vanderbilt has a unique offense, they're good at running it. Ryan, Burns and Gilbert are fundamentally bad players. They can't tackle, they don't react quickly and they take bad routes to plays.


That all sounds a lot like coaching to me
Even if those players are woefully that bad or is our coaching staff that bad at player evaluation? In this day of the transfer portal and NIL how can the coaching staff not have done a better job of putting players out there that can do the job?
So it’s either lack of coaching or poor talent evaluation.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 11:42 am
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