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re: The hypocrisy has me rotflmao
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:12 am to TchPowDog
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:12 am to TchPowDog
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Why does everything have to be a god damned conspiracy?
Because the committee changes their criteria used each week to satisfy their "eye test". One week it's "most complete team". Then when they play their defense gives up tons of first half yards and points to an offense ranked #70 nationally. So the next week they change the reasoning to "look at all of those ranked wins". Saying this after they drop OSU's opponents only 1 spot after losses, and consistently ranking every OSU opponent at least two spots higher in their poll than either the AP or Coach's Poll while ranking LSU opponents at least two spots lower than the AP and Coach's poll....
Yeah, conspiracy
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Minnesota is fricking Minnesota! That's why they dropped 10 spots - they suck.
And they beat Penn State who you earlier argued deserved to be ranked higher than Bama.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:13 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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Wow. OP is drinking that media koolaid.
Committee artificially pumped-up the big10 because of their wins over highly ranked. But they’re high-ranked because they’re pumping-up the big10. That’s the part you’re missing.
this is exactly what other conferences have said about the SEC for years and we have made fun of them
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:14 am to TchPowDog
People wouldn’t be so upset if the committee had legitimate reasons for making the rankings the way they are. There is ZERO consistency with how they are ranking teams from 1-25. None. The current members are a bushel of clowns who have absolutely no idea what they are doing and making up shite as they go along.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:15 am to TchPowDog
quote:LSU isn't moving to #1 no matter how convincingly we beat UGA. Not happening. Not after committee bumped Wisconsin to 8 and barely dropped Michigan and Cinci. Ohio State is locked in at 1.
if we beat Georgia convincingly and hold them to low points, we will move to #1.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:15 am to BlackAdam
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LSU's opponents have have much better offenses than the teams OSU played. We played. We played 3 top 30 offenses. They played 0. We played the #6 and 15 offenses. their best two were 34 and 36.
We played 3 offenses ranked outside the top 70. They played 6. Their defense looks better on paper because they played a much weaker schedule.
well, tech, can we stop this dumb argument now?
Besides, i think the motivation of NOT being the top ranked team will only help. what do you think that Dabo is doing right now?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:15 am to TchPowDog
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Minnesota is fricking Minnesota! That's why they dropped 10 spots - they suck.
Then why did Wisconsin get such a boost by beating them?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:18 am to TchPowDog
Sure, and Michigan’s record says it got drummed by OSU and Whisky and nearly lost at home to Army.
What happened to the committee’s “eye test” for those games?
What happened to the committee’s “eye test” for those games?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:18 am to Eighteen
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Then why did Wisconsin get such a boost by beating them?
they didn’t even go one degree of separation before running into a logic snafu
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:30 am to TchPowDog
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:40 am to TchPowDog
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our defense just hasn't been as good as OSU - this doesn't even require eye test to see. Look at the stats
Quit reading here...unfortunately this was also the arse end of the post fml...look at the stats? how about play someone with a pulse and get back to me on that...Patterson carved up that superb defense and it’s only bc Mich is a BAD team that they didn’t hang 40+ on them (see OT win vs ARMY)...then there’s the stellar offense of the Nittany Lions with their frosh QB that ran down their throats...u like apples?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:00 am to Eighteen
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Minnesota is fricking Minnesota! That's why they dropped 10 spots - they suck.
Then why did Wisconsin get such a boost by beating them?
And here it is. There is no consistent logic to what they're doing. You can throw out how it affects LSU and it's still a shitshow.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:02 am to TchPowDog
What a ridiculous post. Wow.
First off, your point about Alabama is way off. No, they don't have any great wins. Neither does Clemson. Nobody has ever said neither of those teams were not very good, we simply criticize their lack of any real test.
Well at least Bama did play LSU and Auburn. They did lose to both, but what would Clemson do if they had to play anyone? Oh, and LSU didn't have the benefit of facing Bama's backup QB, and LSU played them on the road... If you're going to downplay LSU's win over Bama, at least try to remember these relevant facts.
This brings me to the next bad point you tried to make: You talked about Alabama's best win being against a 7-5 A&M team, and you mentioned how LSU beat them by 43 to make the point that A&M is terrible. Well guess what? All five of their loses came against top 10 teams. Georgia only beat them by 6, Auburn beat them by 8, and Clemson by 14.
Clemson beat them at home by only 14, and Bama beat them by 19 on the road. We beat them by 43... Instead of using LSU's blowout win over A&M to try to prove that A&M sucks, maybe you can explain how they were able to keep it relatively close against Clemson, while we pummeled them? Does that maybe say more about how good LSU is? A&M IS the best team Clemson has faced all year. Meanwhile, they are maybe the 4th best team LSU has played.
On to the next point, where you claim that we think LSU deserves to be #1 because of their record: What? WHO said that? We believe LSU should be number 1 because of their RESUME. HUGE difference.
Look at the teams on Ohio State's schedule, and who those teams have beaten to stack up wins on their "record". Cincinnati being exhibit A. Your rambling run of words to attempt to refute why we think they should have fallen further just showed how little effort you made to research anything before running your mouth. I'll copy and paste something I said about them just yesterday, to prove why they don't deserve being ranked.
"Who has Cincinnati beaten? Their "best" win is a 3 point win over currently unranked UCF. They have a 10 point win over 4-8 UCLA, an 11 point win over 4-8 Tulsa, a 15 point win over 4-8 Houston, a 3 point win over 4-8 East Carolina (starting to notice a trend with these records?) a 3 point win over 4-8 South Florida. Hey! They won by 2 over 8-4 powerhouse Temple and had a 45 point win (way to break the trend, Cincy!) over Uconn, who are 2-10 (...Oh, never mind). They did beat 8-4 Marshall by 38. I guess that totally validates them and cancels out all the other slop performances against awful teams, and the fact that they lost to both ranked teams they played."
You can take a quick glance at the schedules of other teams on OSU's schedule, and you'll see a lot of similar results. Not all records are created equal, which is why RESUME is important. And when you consider these facts, carefully, without just blindly looking at records, as you have, then you realize that it is dumb to use stats and eye test as some barometer to differentiate between LSU and Ohio State.
First off, your point about Alabama is way off. No, they don't have any great wins. Neither does Clemson. Nobody has ever said neither of those teams were not very good, we simply criticize their lack of any real test.
Well at least Bama did play LSU and Auburn. They did lose to both, but what would Clemson do if they had to play anyone? Oh, and LSU didn't have the benefit of facing Bama's backup QB, and LSU played them on the road... If you're going to downplay LSU's win over Bama, at least try to remember these relevant facts.
This brings me to the next bad point you tried to make: You talked about Alabama's best win being against a 7-5 A&M team, and you mentioned how LSU beat them by 43 to make the point that A&M is terrible. Well guess what? All five of their loses came against top 10 teams. Georgia only beat them by 6, Auburn beat them by 8, and Clemson by 14.
Clemson beat them at home by only 14, and Bama beat them by 19 on the road. We beat them by 43... Instead of using LSU's blowout win over A&M to try to prove that A&M sucks, maybe you can explain how they were able to keep it relatively close against Clemson, while we pummeled them? Does that maybe say more about how good LSU is? A&M IS the best team Clemson has faced all year. Meanwhile, they are maybe the 4th best team LSU has played.
On to the next point, where you claim that we think LSU deserves to be #1 because of their record: What? WHO said that? We believe LSU should be number 1 because of their RESUME. HUGE difference.
Look at the teams on Ohio State's schedule, and who those teams have beaten to stack up wins on their "record". Cincinnati being exhibit A. Your rambling run of words to attempt to refute why we think they should have fallen further just showed how little effort you made to research anything before running your mouth. I'll copy and paste something I said about them just yesterday, to prove why they don't deserve being ranked.
"Who has Cincinnati beaten? Their "best" win is a 3 point win over currently unranked UCF. They have a 10 point win over 4-8 UCLA, an 11 point win over 4-8 Tulsa, a 15 point win over 4-8 Houston, a 3 point win over 4-8 East Carolina (starting to notice a trend with these records?) a 3 point win over 4-8 South Florida. Hey! They won by 2 over 8-4 powerhouse Temple and had a 45 point win (way to break the trend, Cincy!) over Uconn, who are 2-10 (...Oh, never mind). They did beat 8-4 Marshall by 38. I guess that totally validates them and cancels out all the other slop performances against awful teams, and the fact that they lost to both ranked teams they played."
You can take a quick glance at the schedules of other teams on OSU's schedule, and you'll see a lot of similar results. Not all records are created equal, which is why RESUME is important. And when you consider these facts, carefully, without just blindly looking at records, as you have, then you realize that it is dumb to use stats and eye test as some barometer to differentiate between LSU and Ohio State.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:11 am to lsu711
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You notice now it’s all about wins vs CFP ranked teams.
Until you said this I didn't realize how bad this is.
A poll referencing itself is bad enough when it's a poll of dozens of sportswriters or college coaches, but when it's a 13 member committee, that's just indefensible.
They shouldn't even be "ranking". They should be picking 4 at the end of the season.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:14 am to uway
They use their own rankings some weeks and in some cases then they use résumé in the same cases different weeks. They use the eye test for some cases and résumé for other cases in the same week. It's crazy.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:32 am to TchPowDog
All I know is that if LSU were Bama, they NEVER would have fallen out of the top spot after winning.
CFB will always be a joke.
CFB will always be a joke.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:19 am to Metaloctopus
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First off, your point about Alabama is way off. No, they don't have any great wins. Neither does Clemson. Nobody has ever said neither of those teams were not very good, we simply criticize their lack of any real test.
Bama hasn't beaten anyone and has proven they can't beat top 15 teams, yet they're still #12. Clemson hasn't lost and if you're not concerned about Clemson then stfu and quit bitching about being #2. If LSU had Clemson's schedule and was 12-0, you would be campaigning for LSU to be #1.
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Well at least Bama did play LSU and Auburn. They did lose to both, but what would Clemson do if they had to play anyone? Oh, and LSU didn't have the benefit of facing Bama's backup QB, and LSU played them on the road... If you're going to downplay LSU's win over Bama, at least try to remember these relevant facts.
This brings me to the next bad point you tried to make: You talked about Alabama's best win being against a 7-5 A&M team, and you mentioned how LSU beat them by 43 to make the point that A&M is terrible. Well guess what? All five of their loses came against top 10 teams. Georgia only beat them by 6, Auburn beat them by 8, and Clemson by 14.
Clemson beat them at home by only 14, and Bama beat them by 19 on the road. We beat them by 43... Instead of using LSU's blowout win over A&M to try to prove that A&M sucks, maybe you can explain how they were able to keep it relatively close against Clemson, while we pummeled them? Does that maybe say more about how good LSU is? A&M IS the best team Clemson has faced all year. Meanwhile, they are maybe the 4th best team LSU has played.
Blah blah blah - Alabama's best win is against an unranked 7-5 team. By your resume logic, they don't deserve to be top 10 - and I agree with that.
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On to the next point, where you claim that we think LSU deserves to be #1 because of their record: What? WHO said that? We believe LSU should be number 1 because of their RESUME. HUGE difference.
This is what I meant, dude, but you know that.
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Look at the teams on Ohio State's schedule, and who those teams have beaten to stack up wins on their "record". Cincinnati being exhibit A. Your rambling run of words to attempt to refute why we think they should have fallen further just showed how little effort you made to research anything before running your mouth. I'll copy and paste something I said about them just yesterday, to prove why they don't deserve being ranked.
"Who has Cincinnati beaten? Their "best" win is a 3 point win over currently unranked UCF. They have a 10 point win over 4-8 UCLA, an 11 point win over 4-8 Tulsa, a 15 point win over 4-8 Houston, a 3 point win over 4-8 East Carolina (starting to notice a trend with these records?) a 3 point win over 4-8 South Florida. Hey! They won by 2 over 8-4 powerhouse Temple and had a 45 point win (way to break the trend, Cincy!) over Uconn, who are 2-10 (...Oh, never mind). They did beat 8-4 Marshall by 38. I guess that totally validates them and cancels out all the other slop performances against awful teams, and the fact that they lost to both ranked teams they played."
You can take a quick glance at the schedules of other teams on OSU's schedule, and you'll see a lot of similar results. Not all records are created equal, which is why RESUME is important. And when you consider these facts, carefully, without just blindly looking at records, as you have, then you realize that it is dumb to use stats and eye test as some barometer to differentiate between LSU and Ohio State.
All I see here is a "rambling of words".
I don't know why Cincy is top 20. But for you to latch onto that and create some conspiracy that the CFP is ranking teams JUST to keep OSU at #1 is childish and flat-out ignorant. It's laughable and sad. People who wear tinfoil hats are a disgrace to humanity - you are what's wrong with this world.
Look at all the other teams around/behind Cincy. You clearly don't want Cincy in the top 25 (because it hurts your agenda), so who would you have in their place and why?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:24 am to uway
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Until you said this I didn't realize how bad this is.
A poll referencing itself is bad enough when it's a poll of dozens of sportswriters or college coaches, but when it's a 13 member committee, that's just indefensible.
They shouldn't even be "ranking". They should be picking 4 at the end of the season.
"CFP makes their own rankings and then ranks teams based on ranked wins"
"LSU should be #1 because of their ranked wins"
"Eye test should be nowhere near the CFP"
"Alabama should be top 10 because they're.. better than the teams in front of them"
Do you people seriously not see the flaw here????????????
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:30 am to TigerLunatik
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They use their own rankings some weeks and in some cases then they use résumé in the same cases different weeks. They use the eye test for some cases and résumé for other cases in the same week. It's crazy.
OR
All is factored in and one metric may slightly out-weigh the other any given week depending on how the games are played out. Did you ever think about that?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:37 am to TchPowDog
Sure I thought about it. Last week they said OSU looked like the more complete team. This week they used their top 25 wins. Which one are they using? If they're using the eye test, Bama, Fla and Auburn have looked better than Wisconsin, Michigan and Penn St.
Honestly, for me, this has nothing to do with LSU. They're using different reasoning to justify their selections and there is no consistency. They've also completely overreacted to both wins and losses for Minnesota and Baylor. Those two are making these huge leaps up and down the rankings.
The hypocrisy is in the rankings and what metrics they're applying to justify who they think is better. As it's been stated numerous times, what sense does it make to reward Wisconsin so much when they penalized their opponent the most?
Honestly, for me, this has nothing to do with LSU. They're using different reasoning to justify their selections and there is no consistency. They've also completely overreacted to both wins and losses for Minnesota and Baylor. Those two are making these huge leaps up and down the rankings.
The hypocrisy is in the rankings and what metrics they're applying to justify who they think is better. As it's been stated numerous times, what sense does it make to reward Wisconsin so much when they penalized their opponent the most?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:50 am to TchPowDog
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CFP makes their own rankings and then ranks teams based on ranked wins"
"LSU should be #1 because of their ranked wins"
That's not inconsistent.
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Eye test should be nowhere near the CFP"
"Alabama should be top 10 because they're.. better than the teams in front of them"
Neither is this.
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