re: THE Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy

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It all goes back to the J Lee pick 6 year

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And also whatever the hell Mett was thinking vs Ole Miss in 2013.

I'll give credit where credit is due, it was bombs away the first couple of games that year. I was shocked, but there isn't a sense of creativity and aggressiveness to come score on a consistent bases.

Listen let me tell u something they only give 2 shitz about the bottom dollar don't think anything else. LSU is a shitty school for basketball and will Co tinge to be because they don't care so get used to it

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So 8 games into the season, we (he) can't execute a simple rollout to his throwing side. Not much to read. Everything's in front of him so it should be an easy play but he botches it 2X.

So why do we call plays our QB can't execute? If that's our offense then it doesn't fit him and vice-versa.

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I'm not sure what exactly your argument is then. In the OP, your complaint is that Miles intentionally minimizes the role of the QB in the offensive scheme, yet here, you describe how our QB "botches" what would be a "easy play".... you claim you have no insight into Harris's actual skillset, but a reasonable person would infer that if he can't execute what you describe, then there are many more routes and designs that aren't incorporated at all because the staff believes them to be above what Harris is currently capable of.

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if anything, the coaching staff tends to over manage and limit our QB's and WR's due to their perceived strengths and weeknesses

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This is probably the most honest and accurate assessment in this entire thread, or any of its nature. It explains why some quarterbacks, like Flynn, Russell, and Mettenberger were allowed to "sling it," while others, like Jefferson, Lee, Jennings, and Harris served complementary roles to our running game.

RECRUITING and RETENTION of quarterbacks has been what has plagued this program for many, many years. Ryan Perrilloux, Zach Lee, Stephen Rivers, Jerrard Randall, Gunner Kiel, Shea Patterson, Feleipe Franks.... we've had a LOT of misses in these areas.

That's the difference between national championships and mid-tier bowls.

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I was stunned to read that until recently LSU only did walk thrus for the run game. Cam was very recently quoted as to how much better the team seems to be grasping the changes in the passing game, SINCE THEY ADDED passing game walk thrus

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Of course they did passing game walk throughs you nit wit. What he was saying is that they ADDED as put in MORE.
Do you birdbrains think that the NEVER threw during walk throughs?
The absolute ignorance regarding the game of football exhibited on this site is frightening.

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I'm not sure what exactly your argument is then. In the OP, your complaint is that Miles intentionally minimizes the role of the QB in the offensive scheme, yet here, you describe how our QB "botches" what would be a "easy play".... you claim you have no insight into Harris's actual skillset, but a reasonable person would infer that if he can't execute what you describe, then there are many more routes and designs that aren't incorporated at all because the staff believes them to be above what Harris is currently capable of.

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But that's what they didn't do in the rollout play(s) used as an example. They incorporated plays he couldn't execute 8 games into the '15 season. IOW, there was a disconnect between what we were trying on O and what our QB was capable of.

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IOW, there was a disconnect between what we were trying on O and what our QB was capable of.

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What? We literally tried to get Harris in a groove. He just wasnt accurate on short and intermediate passes.
We ran zone read, we ran simple passing plays,and we ran deep passes. Its fricking laughable that you, some guy on td, thinks he knows that Miles wasnt playing to Harris' strengths. You really believe that Miles is just calling plays that he knows Harris cant execute? Its rare as hell to have a 1st year starting ,redshirt freshman that produces at a high level. They are the exception not the rule. So you can stop thinking that he is struggling because Miles refuses to play to his strengths.
Mett had trouble his 1st year starting as well.

One of Harris' strengths is his deep ball. He connected on a ton of deep balls and finished 5th in the sec in passing yards per attempt.
Another one of Harris' strengths is running.
We called zone reads and qb keepers.
Did miles call zone read for Mett?

qualifiers ?

I assume you refer to the link to conference games only. I used this because the quality of OOC games can vary widely. For example, UTenn played OU last year. Our OOC games (Syracuse, EMU, WKU) were nowhere near that caliber. Using only conference games helps normalize the data. Make sense?

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You act like other sec programs had nothing but true sophomores( redshirt freshman) on offense like we did. Our scheme has proven to be fine with more experienced qbs.

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Our use of a true Soph was by choice not necessity. Rivers would have been 5Y Sr and AJ was a Jr. How much experience does it take at QB to make our scheme "fine"?

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used this because the quality of OOC games can vary widely.

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As can conf schedules.

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Our use of a true Soph was by choice not necessity. Rivers would have been 5Y Sr and AJ was a Jr. How much experience does it take at QB to make our scheme "fine"?

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Did you just start watching football? Prostyle offense is , by far, the most complex scheme in football.
Our scheme is always fine. The execution isnt always.
IMO we ahould stop recruiting dual threat qbs all together. We ask players to do several things theyve never done.

The bottom line is that Miles has proven he plays to our offense's strengths. When we have experienced qbs we throw the ball. When oir qbs are inexperienced he relies on the ground game.
When our qb is a statue, he doesnt call zone reads or qbs runs.
When our qb can move, he calls zone reads and qb keepers.


Take some time to think about you really believing you see some philosophical flaw with the coach that is having the best coaching tenure in lsu history.

Anyone who thinks that he is suddenly going to change to a modern offense is smoking crack. He gets a hard on when he runs it 4 times in a row from the one yard line. He lives for that.