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re: THE Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy

Posted on 4/3/16 at 7:40 am to
Posted by cj2002
louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
2036 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 7:40 am to
If we could flip the situation, Miles after GD, and Saban after Miles.

Miles would not have had near the winning % he does now.

He is between a 50% and 60% winning coach.

2011 is the exception not the rule.

Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48281 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 11:29 am to
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He is between a 50% and 60% winning coach.



Youre stupid.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48281 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 11:30 am to
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Anyone who thinks that he is suddenly going to change to a modern offense is smoking crack. He gets a hard on when he runs it 4 times in a row from the one yard line. He lives for that.


God our fans are fricking idiots.
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
11286 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 11:30 am to
Bring back Curley
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48281 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 11:31 am to
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When you have a big talent difference, you can walk to the line and say what you will run, and the defense wont be able to do much about it.

when the talent is close or better, ie bama Defense front, you are screwed if you cant make them slow down and think, or defend the whole field.



The talent gap between bama and lsu is bigger than the gap between lsu and ole miss.




And for the record saban had one of the most talented teams in lsu history in 2001 and lost 3 games.
This post was edited on 4/3/16 at 11:33 am
Posted by dreamer
Lafourche Parish
Member since Sep 2003
426 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 4:28 pm to
Coach Bo is gone so Les needs his coordinator to run his offense so Les needs to stop meddling in the offense unless 2016 season will be a repeat of last season.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79445 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 4:51 pm to
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Moreover, in terms of competing for championships, getting this corrected is more important than another great recruiting class, hiring Aranda, flushing Alleva, or banishing piped-in noise from TS.


You are wrong about that.

Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21017 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 4:54 pm to
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Our scheme is always fine.


Rumor is that Les is entertaining some changes on O so maybe we should inform him not to since it's "always fine."

quote:

We ask players to do several things they've never done.


The light bulb is beginning to flicker. Let's see if it comes all the way on.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21017 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 5:07 pm to
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You are wrong about that.


You think a lack of talent's been the problem all along? Both the incoming recruiting rankings and the outgoing NFL drafts tell the world we've had/got the talent. And we led the SEC in D as recently as '14 (hard to believe but we did).

That's why I say that as far as making headway toward championships, we need to have a fully-functional O.
Posted by Gus Tinsley
NW LA.
Member since May 2008
3512 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 5:08 pm to
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THE Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy by TGFN57


quote:

Why do people post here on subjects like this when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about?


A BIG +1
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 5:08 pm to
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Where LSU does it wrong IMO is that, you can still utilize your QB's strong points without putting pressure on him, but they seldom do this. The way LSU does it actually puts more pressure on the QB. By being so conservative and not using his skills your actually putting more pressure on him when they do face a must pass situation. He is not prepared and comfortable to face that situation because he has been protected within the offense and isn't ready.


I certainly agree with this, in principle. we need to open things up in the early part of the year where a mistake isn't going to cost us the game.

still, a college QB should be able to execute the easy pass plays, the screens, the roll outs, the dumps, etc, etc. it is very disconcerting to see the mass failure to execute simple plays in pretty much every game. all qb's miss at times but ours have been much, much worse.

personally, i'd like us to open it the hell up from the get go next year. LF would still get his 200 yds, esp if the opposing D has to defend the pass.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21017 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 5:18 pm to
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I certainly agree with this, in principle. we need to open things up in the early part of the year where a mistake isn't going to cost us the game.

still, a college QB should be able to execute the easy pass plays, the screens, the roll outs, the dumps, etc, etc. it is very disconcerting to see the mass failure to execute simple plays in pretty much every game. all qb's miss at times but ours have been much, much worse.

personally, i'd like us to open it the hell up from the get go next year. LF would still get his 200 yds, esp if the opposing D has to defend the pass.


Yep, but tread lightly lest thou findest thyself in agreement with the OP.

Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79445 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 6:12 pm to
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You think a lack of talent's been the problem all along?


Show me a team that has won without it. Recruiting is important>

Alabama, OSU, FSU recruit.

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And we led the SEC in D as recently as '14 (hard to believe but we did).


And we had a top notch DC. Having a good DC is important.
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That's why I say that as far as making headway toward championships, we need to have a fully-functional O.


Sure, but we also need a Functional Defense, and good players.
There are a lot of bad teams that put up numbers on offense.
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
Member since Aug 2013
15405 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 6:59 pm to
Oh
Posted by tigerswin03
SAINTS / PELICANS FAN
Member since Jan 2009
4715 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 7:23 pm to
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His first priority will always be to execute Bo Schembeckler's offense and to personify him in every w


This is something I really believe also .....

I read once that Bo would practice and prepare as though they were playing Ohio state every week , saying that if they were prepared to beat Ohio st that they could beat anyone on their schedule.....

To me their is no element of surprise, no catching a team off guard , no fooling anyone ,..,
It's pound it down their throats and make them quit ...

I like the part of physically beating an opponent , you also have to incorporate the mismatches and the out smarting an opponent...

Remember the BCS game v Ohio st , the Buckeyes didn't know what to expect , they were scratching their heads and couldn't figure out how to stop the Tigers ...,

Les has won a lot of games and I give him all the credit as a head coach deserves , but his stubbornness has cost the Tigers at times also ....

This post was edited on 4/3/16 at 7:25 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48281 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 8:52 pm to
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Rumor is that Les is entertaining some changes on O so maybe we should inform him not to since it's "always fine."


Did you just start following lsu football?
We hear this same thing every year.
Just because you add some plays doesnt mean you are changing the scheme.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48281 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 8:55 pm to
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Why do people post here on subjects like this when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about?



Because we have a message board full of football ignorant posters that think.....
1.They know the strengths and weaknesses of our players better than Miles.
2. That Miles never plays to a players strengths.
3.that our offense is really simple when in fact its our scheme that makes younger qbs struggle at times.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48281 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 9:00 pm to
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If what he says is incorrect we wouldn't have the offensive problems we do year after year.


We had good offenses in 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011,& 2015 ( yes last yeat we finished 4th, in the sec, in yards per game and 3rd in offensive points per game)
Stop acting like our offense has sucked during Miles career. Miles' tenure has mutiple offenses that had the highest points per game in lsu history.

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Why are there so many Mile's apologist who will take average results year after year based on his one MNC and Two SEC championships that are well in the rear view mirror now.




God i hate our ignorant and entitled fan base.

Yeah miles only has the best win %in lsu history.
We have finished top 20 9 out of his 11 seasons.
We have finished top 15 8 of his 11 seasons.
We have finished in the top 10 in 6 of his 11 seasons
Stop acting like every season except 2007 and 2011 were average.
The last 5 years' win loss record os better than Saban's tenure at lsu. Let that sink in.
This post was edited on 4/3/16 at 9:04 pm
Posted by timm6971463
oakdale la
Member since Mar 2008
4387 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 9:02 pm to
There are a ton of pass happy losing teams ,defensing a running team like LSU is a huge chore for any team !
This post was edited on 4/3/16 at 9:03 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21017 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 11:53 pm to
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defensing a running team like LSU is a huge chore for any team !


Sarcasm?
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