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The fumble/forward pass dispute

Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:52 pm
Posted by southendzoneresident
Member since Jun 2013
1093 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:52 pm
My question is not whether that was a forward pass or a fumble but rather if you rule it a forward pass then why would it not be then flagged as intentional grounding? There is no receiver in the area and it is effectively a way of cheating the defense out of a sack. Has this ever been addressed?
Posted by LanTheBuilder
New Orleans, LA
Member since Nov 2015
1251 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:54 pm to
You’re right and no one will have a good answer.
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
11893 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:55 pm to
I’d like to see who the refs thought his “intended receiver” was on that “forward pass”
Posted by CredulousChowder
Boone, NC
Member since Sep 2020
161 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:55 pm to
I agree on some level, but the penalty is intentional grounding. I know it's a misnomer, because you can intentionally ground it in some situations without penalty. And they never seem to follow the letter of the rule that allows them to call it in other situations where there was obviously no intent to throw a complete pass.

But I don't think I've ever seen a "tuck rule" type non-fumble called IG. I'm sure it has happened. I've just never seen it.
This post was edited on 9/27/20 at 10:56 pm
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
3353 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:56 pm to
quote:

You’re right and no one will have a good answer.


I'd also like to add the ball did not go past the LOS. I'm more concerned with this from a theoretical standpoint, as I'm sure this gets missed almost every time. LSU obviously did not lose the game due to this.
Posted by UnoMe
Here
Member since Dec 2007
5546 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:59 pm to
Why would you think they would know to call IG there? It took them several seconds and discussions to call the first 2.
Posted by southendzoneresident
Member since Jun 2013
1093 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:01 pm to
Right I'm not saying this cost us the game. I'm saying I'd like a blanket rule passed that says if it is deemed a forward pass and not a fumble then an automatic 15 yard intentional grounding should be awarded. The defense should be rewarded in some way. This effectively makes it a get out of sack play.
Posted by chasseur4
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2006
564 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:25 pm to
He wasn’t throwing - he was trying to tuck the ball back in - and he dropped it.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10443 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:27 pm to
His arm was hit. It’s not that difficult to understand.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33343 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:28 pm to
quote:

My question is not whether that was a forward pass or a fumble but rather if you rule it a forward pass then why would it not be then flagged as intentional grounding?
Because it quite obviously was not intentionally grounded.
Posted by mallardhank
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2006
1275 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:07 am to
Chase ur 4 is correct
His hand was bringing it back when he got hit
Fumble
And it did cost us the game
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 6:24 am to
i agree with everything you are saying, the stupid rule says if his arm is moving in a forward motion then its a pass- ok then, who the hell was he throwing to?
what's more frustrating is that we shouldn't have to rely on that call to win that game.
Posted by Broham
Crowley
Member since Feb 2005
18384 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:36 am to
quote:

if you rule it a forward pass then why would it not be then flagged as intentional grounding?

I said this exact same thing.
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