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re: The full cost of a coaching reset:
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:03 pm to Ellis_Hugh
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:03 pm to Ellis_Hugh
quote:Most HC buyouts for changing schools are negligible compared to their actual salaries. Most staff buyouts for changing schools are usually waived in case of promotion.
Wouldn’t there be a buyouts/penalties for the new staff when they break their contracts at their current schools?
The really significant buyouts are usually when you fire someone mid-contract. The contracts have been this way for ~25 years or so. The coaches are protected if fired and have their own leeway to change jobs.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:20 pm to fightntiger32
I honestly think there's a world where he's gone too, I'd try to move him to another position first though
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:32 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Sloan and Davis have to go
Just had a Newsweek article pop up on my newsfeed on this very subject. It said BK is already feeling internal heat to change coaches if the offensive drought continues... No sources named of course.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 11:33 pm to how333
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blah, blah, blah. Do you want a top notch program? A&M paid out Jimbo's contract. They're currently 7-0.
Now do USC, Nebraska, Miami, and even Tennessee, Texas, and Oklahoma. How many blue blood programs have been wandering around in the wilderness for 20+ years since their last national title because they keep firing coaches at the first sign of resistance? The coaching carousel finally brought Saban to LSU 21 years after McClendon was forced out and to Alabama 24 years after Bear Bryant.
Harbaugh was 8-5 in Year 3, 10-3 in Year 4, 9-4 in Year 5, and 2-4 in Year 6. To hear LSU fans say it, Harbaugh was obviously a lost cause and should have been fired after Year 4 or Year 5. Michigan would have had to start all over and would have missed 3 straight CFP berths and an NC in Years 7-9. Even Kirby Smart missed the CFP 3 straight years in Years 3-5 after making it in Year 2. Did taking a step back in those seasons prove he would never succeed? Maybe Georgia should have moved on before Year 6 without a title.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:20 am to MikeTheTiger71
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Harbaugh was obviously a lost cause
The only way Harbaugh won a natty is he cheated all the way to the championship
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:49 am to MikeTheTiger71
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Harbaugh was 8-5 in Year 3, 10-3 in Year 4, 9-4 in Year 5, and 2-4 in Year 6. To hear LSU fans say it, Harbaugh was obviously a lost cause and should have been fired after Year 4 or Year 5. Michigan would have had to start all over and would have missed 3 straight CFP berths and an NC in Years 7-9. Even Kirby Smart missed the CFP 3 straight years in Years 3-5 after making it in Year 2. Did taking a step back in those seasons prove he would never succeed? Maybe Georgia should have moved on before Year 6 without a title.
That was in a different era of college sports where coaches didn't have the ability to add multiple experienced starters to quickly fill in holes. Kelly doesn't get much of a pass for the following reasons:
1. Barring a miracle, this will be the first time in 25 years an LSU HC hasn't won a national championship within his first 4 years on the job. Given those expectations and the fact Kelly was the most accomplished coach at the time of his hire that LSU has EVER hired, no one wants to hear any excuses for not reaching a TWELVE team playoff.
2. Kelly has already wasted one potential CFP team. He had the second best offense in LSU history two years ago. One that was so good, all he had to do was field an average defense to complement it. He couldn't meet that exceptionally low bar.
3. This was supposed to be the year the 2023 mistake was fixed. He demanded the donors increase their spending at the end of last season. They did, and LSU signed what was ranked as the best transfer class in the country. That class vastly improved the defense. Yet, just like in 2023, he's been incapable of fielding even an average unit on the other side to complement it.
He'll be 64 years old tomorrow. How many more "swings" does he have to get it "right"? LSU didn't invest a ton of money to watch their football team play in meaningless bowl games in Texas or Florida. There were probably several coaches that could have gotten to 8-9 wins per year.
He's not going to be fired after this season. But after this season NO ONE will have any level of hope he can at least reach the CFP. Unless LSU starts winning again, he will be the first coach in recent memory to have 2 teams in three years start in the top 10 and finish outside of it.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 11:41 am to Alt26
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That was in a different era of college sports where coaches didn't have the ability to add multiple experienced starters to quickly fill in holes.
It’s also an era when players who aren’t starting don’t stick around waiting their turn. Stamps is only the most recent example of that. That creates a lack of continuity and makes depth an issue for pretty much everyone. It also has leveled the playing field with less talent stockpiling on the rosters of only a few programs. That narrows the margin for error and, when combined with the lack of depth, makes it difficult to overcome key injuries, especially on the road.
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Barring a miracle, this will be the first time in 25 years an LSU HC hasn't won a national championship within his first 4 years on the job.
You start off by saying it’s a new era, then immediately switch to applying old standards and expectations. Many times the advantages LSU had in the pre-NIL/transfer portal era aren’t there now or have been significantly reduced. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t still be one of the best programs in the country, but expecting a consistent run like they had from 2003-2012 is just unrealistic. No, LSU shouldn’t be at the level they have been the past 4 years either, but everyone is still feeling out what it takes to succeed in this new era. Oregon and Ohio State were ahead of the curve in putting it all together. No one else has established any consistency. Alabama lost 4 games last year for the first time since 2007 and more than 2 for the first time since 2010. They started off this year with a miserable performance against FSU. They seem to have righted the ship, but that seemed true last year as well before debacles against Oklahoma and Michigan. Georgia lost 3 games for the first time since 2018. The other two CFP teams from the SEC last year, Texas and Tennessee, are also 5-2 and have looked just as lost as LSU at times on one side of the ball. Oklahoma and Clemson were consistent programs in the early CFP era, now struggling in the new environment. It’s not just LSU.
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This was supposed to be the year the 2023 mistake was fixed. He demanded the donors increase their spending at the end of last season. They did, and LSU signed what was ranked as the best transfer class in the country. That class vastly improved the defense. Yet, just like in 2023, he's been incapable of fielding even an average unit on the other side to complement it.
I know most of the fan base doesn’t want to hear it, but key injuries are very hard to overcome in the new environment. If Dellinger and Frazier don’t go down last year, LSU is in the SECCG and CFP. If Nussmeier were 100%, they would have beaten Ole Miss. The offense played well enough to beat Vandy if Gooden and Weeks had not been hurt. This was a team set up to succeed and they would have without the injuries.
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He's not going to be fired after this season. But after this season NO ONE will have any level of hope he can at least reach the CFP.
We’ll see how the rest of the season plays out, but I do have hope they can reach the CFP next year (and I haven’t given up on this year). Like I said, without injuries they would have made it last year and would be in the driver’s seat this year. He has put teams on the field that were capable of making the CFP at full strength each of the last two seasons. Until they start failing to compete at full strength, it’s an overreaction to decide the program is hopeless.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 11:54 am to lsufan0582
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His buyout isnt all due at once. 8.7 million a year until 2031.
ok, but the following really isn't accurate:
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This is a 41.3 million dollar project
You've understated it.
41M in one year is a lot and it's a big issue on it's own.
But, the 80+M total is also a huge issue that will impact LSU for years.
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