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re: The football season is over. The bowl game is an exhibition.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:17 am to airfernando
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:17 am to airfernando
quote:i'm talking specifically about players that are leaving LSU AFTER THIS GAME
Man, are you naive and ignorant. The bowl game doesn't mean much for some players, but it means a lot to others. It is an exhibition game and a joke, but it will make some players a lot of money.
why is that so hard for some people to understand?
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:18 am to Rouge
quote:
The regular football season is over
FIFY
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:19 am to Choupique19
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Not a competitive bone in your body, I guess.
I just know the difference between a game and a goddamn glorified exhibition game.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:20 am to Rouge
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so you would tell your kid to risk injury and loss of (potentially millions) future revenue as a top 20 pick for a game like the one LSU is getting ready to play?
I would tell my kid to go out and play for the fanbase, school, and teammates he loves. Loyalty to a fanbase, no matter what school, will pay so many dividents more than a 4 year NFL career. The average NFL career is a few seasons, and it's gone after that. I would rather my son have a fanbase that loved him forever, where he could start a business and be a hometown hero rather than piss off a bunch of people and fizzle in the NFL after a few years.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:23 am to TDcline
Do you have less loyalty to Fournette because of one bowl game?
That would say more about you than him, IMO.
That would say more about you than him, IMO.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:23 am to Rouge
To many bowl games.
Waters down the system. Its like participation trophies for the snowflakes.
Should just stick to the top 5 or 6 bowls. If you don't make one, then oh well.
Winner should get GIANT Trophy
Loser should get a little trophy.
Waters down the system. Its like participation trophies for the snowflakes.
Should just stick to the top 5 or 6 bowls. If you don't make one, then oh well.
Winner should get GIANT Trophy
Loser should get a little trophy.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:24 am to TDcline
quote:agree to disagree
TDcline
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:25 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Do you have less loyalty to Fournette because of one bowl game?
His choice to not play impacted my opinion of him, yes. I was pretty vocal about it on here too. He chose to abandon his teammates and sit while they played. Adams and others had just as much to lose, but they played.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:26 am to TDcline
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His choice to not play impacted my opinion of him, yes. I was pretty vocal about it on here too. He chose to abandon his teammates and sit while they played
Yikes.
Carry on.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:32 am to NawlinsTiger9
Well didn’t he?
We got lip service from O akin to a Les like explanation.
Key can ply his wares elsewhere.
We got lip service from O akin to a Les like explanation.
Key can ply his wares elsewhere.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:35 am to canyon
Yeah, nevermind all the shite that one of our best players EVER gave to LSU on and off the field while he was here - let's focus on the one game he didn't play in when he was marginally healthy.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:40 am to Rouge
Meh. I disagree.
In many ways, the bowl game and the actual result doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. In many other ways, it absolutely matters...It's still a game. That gets played. And watched. And attended. And recorded in the history books.
I can guarantee you that all coaches (and many, if not all, players) want to win the game.
You talk about effort and motivation of individual players in an individual game, which is a concern in all games at all levels, not just college bowl games. It's a natural part of "sport" ... what team, players, and coaches want it more on any given day typically decides wins and losses.
Are there players that are "checked out" for an individual game and don't give 100% effort? ... Sure, there were players that were checked out in Week2 and Week7 and Week 12 as well. It's up to the coaches to get their team prepared to win, regardless of their respective self-motivating factors.
In many ways, the bowl game and the actual result doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. In many other ways, it absolutely matters...It's still a game. That gets played. And watched. And attended. And recorded in the history books.
I can guarantee you that all coaches (and many, if not all, players) want to win the game.
You talk about effort and motivation of individual players in an individual game, which is a concern in all games at all levels, not just college bowl games. It's a natural part of "sport" ... what team, players, and coaches want it more on any given day typically decides wins and losses.
Are there players that are "checked out" for an individual game and don't give 100% effort? ... Sure, there were players that were checked out in Week2 and Week7 and Week 12 as well. It's up to the coaches to get their team prepared to win, regardless of their respective self-motivating factors.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:42 am to Hot Carl
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Do they wear fricking jerseys with LSU on them? Helmets? Does another team fricking line up against us? They keep score? Then it goddamn counts.
I agree with this. I think the “It’s an exhibition game” argument is lame. It goes in the W/L column and in your season record, how on earth does it not count??
Having said that, it doesn’t bother me. I believe they should play but if they don’t, it’s their call. The people most affected by their decision (their teammates, coaches, the NFL) don’t care, so why should I?
I’m still going to watch and I’m still going to pull for LSU regardless of who makes the trip.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:43 am to Choupique19
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So the only reason to play college football is if you are dreaming of a NFL career? Being part of a winning college football is of no concern? Why even keep score?
The OP's premise was not whether or not one should play college football. It's that the bowl game is essentially an exhibition game in that other than a t-shirt and happy feelings there is no real reward for winning or consequence for losing. Besides the NIT, what other major sport has a post season where winning a game doesn't really earn you anything other than winning THAT game?
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Then we should have shut the season down after losing to Troy and falling to 3-2 on the year. Since, you know, a national championship was out of the window.
Just think of all the rest those NFL bodies could have received by skipping the last 7 games of the regular season!!!!
You're comparing the regular season to a singular bowl game. The discussion is about the singular bowl game's relevance, not the relevance of a regular season game. Even at 3-2 LSU's championship hopes (though a very long shot) were not conclusively ended. In the bowl game they are. Because of the nature of college football's postseason ONLY 4 teams NOW have a chance to win the national title. Regardless of what happens in ANY of the other bowl games, no one but those 4 teams have a chance to win a championship. Other than the bowl game itself, there is no larger prize to be won or lost. No one is saying don't play the game (or at least I'm not). The only thing I'm saying (and presumably the OP) is at it's core it has no greater emphasis than a regular season game. In fact, it has less if the premise of the sport is for teams to play one another, keep score to determine a winner/loser and ultimately to determine who is the best. If that isn't the point, then I agree with you, why keep score?
In the NCAA tournaments (basketball, baseball, hockey, etc--except the NIT) you either make the playoffs or the season ends. For instance, two teams who didn't make the NCAA baseball tournament don't just go play a 3 game series a month after the regular season ends simply to just see who wins a trophy. Yet, that's essentially what the football teams who don't make the playoffs do. If the NCAA did that in baseball everyone on here would just laugh and say what a waste of time for ex. if Georgia and Ohio St. just went and played a series Florida for basically nothing more than a trophy awarded to the winner. Yet, because college football has ALWAYS had the bowl system virtually the EXACT same scenario somehow has much more meaning?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:44 am to Rouge
It's not an exhibition game. It's a sanctioned NCAA game, and the outcome will be reflected and documented in the season's win/loss total. It's no different than any out of conference game we've played this year, although I would argue that for the sake of posterity that it's the most important one.
But let's just assume that your point is valid. If that's the case, at what point do games stop counting? The SEC West was lost for LSU after the Bama game, so why not excuse players from sitting out against Arkansas, Tennessee, ans aTm? What was the point of those games? To get a better bowl bid? You're saying that bowls are meaningless, so what's the point of wanting a more prestigious bowl if it isn't going to be a NY6/playoff bowl?
This is a precarious can of worms that's being opened with this bowl game sit out shite.
But let's just assume that your point is valid. If that's the case, at what point do games stop counting? The SEC West was lost for LSU after the Bama game, so why not excuse players from sitting out against Arkansas, Tennessee, ans aTm? What was the point of those games? To get a better bowl bid? You're saying that bowls are meaningless, so what's the point of wanting a more prestigious bowl if it isn't going to be a NY6/playoff bowl?
This is a precarious can of worms that's being opened with this bowl game sit out shite.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:49 am to young man tiger
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But let's just assume that your point is valid. If that's the case, at what point do games stop counting? The SEC West was lost for LSU after the Bama game, so why not excuse players from sitting out against Arkansas, Tennessee, ans aTm? What was the point of those games? To get a better bowl bid? You're saying that bowls are meaningless, so what's the point of wanting a more prestigious bowl if it isn't going to be a NY6/playoff bowl?
This. And I can’t really understand how anyone can disagree with this.
If the bowl games are meaningless, then something like 90 FBS teams just spent the month of November playing games that are equally meaningless.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:54 am to StupidBinder
You guys are getting hung up on the word "meaningless"
I agree that for a lot of guys on the team, it's not meaningless. Everybody wants to win. For someone like Danny Etling, it's going to be a huge day. I don't fault him for that nor do I fault any fan for cheering for their team.
But an elite draft prospect with recent injury concerns? it's a risk/reward thing - what is to be gained and what could be lost?
For the small percentage of guys in that category, it's a valid question.
I agree that for a lot of guys on the team, it's not meaningless. Everybody wants to win. For someone like Danny Etling, it's going to be a huge day. I don't fault him for that nor do I fault any fan for cheering for their team.
But an elite draft prospect with recent injury concerns? it's a risk/reward thing - what is to be gained and what could be lost?
For the small percentage of guys in that category, it's a valid question.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:54 am to Alt26
December 31, 2012.
Clemson cared about playing and winning a bowl game. LSU players were focused on their NFL futures.
Ask any Clemson coach or fan and they will point to that night as the time Clemson started to turn the corner and become a big player on the national scene.
It's okay to commit to winning and being a competitor.
Clemson cared about playing and winning a bowl game. LSU players were focused on their NFL futures.
Ask any Clemson coach or fan and they will point to that night as the time Clemson started to turn the corner and become a big player on the national scene.
It's okay to commit to winning and being a competitor.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:56 am to lakelanier
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You would be bitcoin like crazy if LSU were not bowl eligible
What am amazing autocorrect
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:59 am to Choupique19
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Clemson cared about playing and winning a bowl game. LSU players were focused on their NFL futures.
You think that's why we lost that game?
Jesus
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