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The defensive issues did not start with the co-coordinators
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:39 am
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:39 am
I am no fan of the co-coordinator system, but they cannot be entirely blamed for our defensive problems. They started with Pelini last year. The problems last year were the same as this year. It was not just because Dorsey got hurt. We couldn't defend against the spread or fast receivers last year. We really didn't get much pressure on the QB last year. Teams were able to pick us apart. We gave up lots of points. Fortunately, last year we were able to get a few turnovers and make the occasional big play. However, the same problems that we had this year were becoming evident back then.
The same people who are on here screaming about how big a loss Pelini were laughing at Nebraska for taking him off of our hands last year. There is something missing in his system that the current co-coordinators have not fixed.
The same people who are on here screaming about how big a loss Pelini were laughing at Nebraska for taking him off of our hands last year. There is something missing in his system that the current co-coordinators have not fixed.
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Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:41 am to LSUray
yeah we kept the same, ineffective system
we just have a worse motivator running it. emotion is big on this defense
miles not realizing the D was a problem last year and hiring guys who would run the same thing is telling
we just have a worse motivator running it. emotion is big on this defense
miles not realizing the D was a problem last year and hiring guys who would run the same thing is telling
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:41 am to LSUray
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There is something missing in his system that the current co-coordinators have not fixed
Coaching ability.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:41 am to LSUray
Whom out there is stopping the spread with great success regularly? I can't think of anyone, which is why so many offenses are using it.
Too bad we don't employ some of the same tactics on offense. It appears that Les likes offenses in the mold of the Big Ten tradition of 3 yards and a cloud of dust running right at you and daring you to stop us.
We'll Ole Miss stopped us and so did others. It's time to shake up the offense and the defense both. Maybe the coaches too?
Too bad we don't employ some of the same tactics on offense. It appears that Les likes offenses in the mold of the Big Ten tradition of 3 yards and a cloud of dust running right at you and daring you to stop us.
We'll Ole Miss stopped us and so did others. It's time to shake up the offense and the defense both. Maybe the coaches too?
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:42 am to LSUray
Good post I agree 100%. Pelini was terrible, and all these guys are doing is trying to run his system.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:43 am to Tigerik
We are hindered on offense because of inexperienced qb's. I think Crowton and better qb play work this out.
D is a whole 'nother animal... See every other post about this situation.
D is a whole 'nother animal... See every other post about this situation.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:45 am to Ethan Martin
Did you ever think that Pelini "really" stopped coaching mid way through the season last year. He knew he was going to Nebraska. He just stayed and assisted. Miles knew all along he was going to hire his loser friends to ruin the LSU defense. I think that Pelini system was good. It was good all the way up until half way season last year, when the Nebraska job came open.....
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:46 am to crowder40
+ 1.
I have been saying this in many posts, only to be attacked by the Pellini's cult followers who refuse to see our vulnerabilities regarding the spread and the speed based offenses.
I do not think he was terrible...
I think his D is styled to stop the rushing offenses...for that IT works, but not for the other style of offenses it is vulnerable.
He will do well in Nebraska because of the style of play of the majority of schools in that conference at this time.
I have been saying this in many posts, only to be attacked by the Pellini's cult followers who refuse to see our vulnerabilities regarding the spread and the speed based offenses.
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Good post I agree 100%. Pelini was terrible, and all these guys are doing is trying to run his system.
I do not think he was terrible...
I think his D is styled to stop the rushing offenses...for that IT works, but not for the other style of offenses it is vulnerable.
He will do well in Nebraska because of the style of play of the majority of schools in that conference at this time.
This post was edited on 11/24/08 at 8:49 am
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:48 am to Lee Chatelain
the dimmly lit torch is being carried by 2 fellas even less capable. I, too, felt Pelinis defense last year faded until the SECCG.
time for a change.
time for a change.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:48 am to rbdallas
Oklahoma did a pretty good job of stopping tech last saturday. they blitzed a pretty good bit.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:49 am to Lee Chatelain
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Did you ever think that Pelini "really" stopped coaching mid way through the season last year. He knew he was going to Nebraska. He just stayed and assisted. Miles knew all along he was going to hire his loser friends to ruin the LSU defense. I think that Pelini system was good. It was good all the way up until half way season last year, when the Nebraska job came open
really?
I guess that's why he stayed to help us win the national title last year
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:56 am to Tigerik
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Whom out there is stopping the spread with great success regularly?
Good question. And until we figure it out, Florida and even teams like Ole Miss will run right over and around us. I'm hardly the expert, but my guess is we'll need slightly lighter and faster d-linemen like Auburn seems to go with and—most important of all—some serious thought to how to tackle one-on-one in space. Auburn gave close to a textbook spread defense lesson in their game last year against Florida. Maybe we should watch the tape.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 8:59 am to LSUray
The problems started in the 2nd half of the South Carolina game last year when Spurrier figured out that our LBs couldn't cover RBs and TEs. It got way worse this year, when offenses realized that in addition to this, the safeties often do not rotate over in coverage, giving one on one coverage just about anywhere on the field. The situation was further complicated when opposing offenses saw the huge gap between the LBs and the Safeties in the middle of the field. To make matters even worse, they then figured out they could totally confuse our DBs with crafty use of crossing the WRs on the skinny post/short out combo route. This clever ploy has the stunning result of rendering one of the WRs (usually the one on the skinny post) invisible to to the LSU defenders.
This post was edited on 11/24/08 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/24/08 at 9:10 am to rbdallas
"I think his D is styled to stop the rushing offenses...for that IT works, but not for the other style of offenses it is vulnerable.
He will do well in Nebraska because of the style of play of the majority of schools in that conference at this time."
Like Texas Tech, Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma????????
He will do well in Nebraska because of the style of play of the majority of schools in that conference at this time."
Like Texas Tech, Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma????????
Posted on 11/24/08 at 9:23 am to Tiger JED
Bo loved the players and they played for him. These two dolts pale in comparison. I am sure they are good guys, but I am not looking for buddies. Please don't let us slide back into the bad ole days. We have the talent at so many levels it is just a shame what this year became.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 9:28 am to armybass
I was really hoping that Pellini would lead to a scheme change but for whatever reason it did not. I have read on this board that Miles offered the DC to Muschamp but that he turned it down. In any case, we got to see this year what a less effectively coached version of the same D looks like when you lose 6 senior starters. It wasn't pretty, despite having some really good athletes on that side of the ball.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
yeah we kept the same, ineffective system
we just have a worse motivator running it. emotion is big on this defense
miles not realizing the D was a problem last year and hiring guys who would run the same thing is telling
I have been saying this since midway thru last year. The games we lost last year were due to the defense letting us down in crucial situations. Even if you read his current comments, he seems to pass a lot of the blame to the offense. WTF?
Posted on 11/24/08 at 9:39 am to N.O. via West-Cal
On TV they implied that the 3rd and long Ole Miss TD pass was a blown coverage by Phelon Jones...
...if so, how much responsibility does Phelon have for the play versus the co-DC's ?
...if so, how much responsibility does Phelon have for the play versus the co-DC's ?
Posted on 11/24/08 at 9:40 am to Katy Tiger
quote:Looks like a pretty good analysis of the problem to me. So what's the solution?
The problems started in the 2nd half of the South Carolina game last year when Spurrier figured out that our LBs couldn't cover RBs and TEs. It got way worse this year, when offenses realized that in addition to this, the safeties often do not rotate over in coverage, giving one on one coverage just about anywhere on the field. The situation was further complicated when opposing offenses saw the huge gap between the LBs and the Safeties in the middle of the field. To make matters even worse, they then figured out they could totally confuse our DBs with crafty use of crossing the WRs on the skinny post/short out combo route. This clever ploy has the stunning result of rendering one of the WRs (usually the one on the skinny post) invisible to to the LSU defenders.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 10:19 am to LSUray
I ask you the same thing. How is that possible when LSU finished # 3 in total yards on defense. If we got gashed, then it should show up in the stats.
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