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re: The Case to reduce Present Bowl System

Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:27 am to
Posted by Mats86
Member since Mar 2021
5431 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:27 am to
Bowl games certainly don’t have the prestige they once did. I’m sure they could cut a couple of them. But I also like that some of the smaller schools get a chance to play, earn money for their program, and players get the experience and the swag. Just remember the excitement of going to the independence bowl. I was
Thrilled.
Posted by Bumble Bee
Northwest, La
Member since Jan 2011
869 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:27 am to
In 1990, there was only like 18 Bowl games. ESPN created a majority of these bowl games for I’m sure content on their expanding platform; ESPN2, ESPNU, etc.

Then a short 10 years later after over saturating the market, they turned their attention to the BCS and the pursuit of an ever expanding playoff and pushing the narratives that the only thing that matters is the playoff and that Bowl Games are meaningless and players shouldn’t play if they have a future.

Every issue or problem in sports has a direct link to an ESPN directive or talking point. What ever the “world wide leader” wants, it eventually gets.
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2957 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:41 am to
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Post the numbers. I have no idea what kind of money these bowl games bring in. Do you?

Fans don’t care about the numbers. They care that the game is meaningless and is in most cases between 2 teams with opt out replacements. I wish the attendance would go to 0. Delete meaningless bowls and expand the playoff field. Only play meaningful post season games. The FCS has 24 playoff teams, no bowls.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75926 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:43 am to
quote:

Every issue or problem in sports has a direct link to an ESPN directive or talking point.


My favorite is when they complain about conference realignment. Or when they make a documentary about the old Big East and conveniently leave out the part where they murdered the conference.
Posted by SlickRick55
Member since May 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:45 am to
The talk about bowl games at week 0, I don't know. The anticipation at the end of the year is hoping you get the most prestigious bowl possible, which also means probably a pretty tough opponent. Many schools are avoiding tough opponents early on, just like the case many have us have been arguing for the last 5-6 years.
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2957 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Bowl games certainly don’t have the prestige they once did. I’m sure they could cut a couple of them. But I also like that some of the smaller schools get a chance to play, earn money for their program, and players get the experience and the swag. Just remember the excitement of going to the independence bowl. I was Thrilled.

I admit I used to love going to bowl games. Those days are long gone. I’d much rather them expand the playoffs and see LSU get a chance at a natty, or the season just end if it’s mediocre.
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
7341 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:56 am to
- Start ranking after the fourth week of the season.
- Keep all the bowls with conference ties and six win minimum.
- Four team playoff decided after all the bowls are played.

This keeps even the minor bowls relevant as they will impact teams strength of schedule.
Posted by KreweKitchen
Member since Dec 2022
50 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:06 am to
quote:

The Case to reduce Present Bowl System


why does this need a case you friggin' football Grinch
Posted by blackandgolddude
Virginia Beach
Member since Apr 2012
3534 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:11 am to
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Now these numbers should make executives with ESPN/Disney cringe


ESPN/Disney don't give a frick about how many tickets are sold, they get none of that money. They care about how many people turn it on for TV. And judging by the fact that these bowls have been ghost towns for almost 10 years, but people keep lining up to air them, tells me that advertising dollars are still good.
Posted by Relham10
Ridge
Member since Jan 2013
20102 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:14 am to
I like to watch college football on TV almost every day during the holiday season. Don't care if its just a greedy cash grab
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
60662 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:15 am to
Bottom line is, the players enjoy bowls, the fans enjoy bowls, and companies are willing to sponsor bowls.

Why would you wish for less football?
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
32477 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:17 am to
quote:

move it to the first of the season

No P5 team is going to willingly play a bowl game to start the season. This is the dumbest thing to come out of this bowl situation.

You play your conference and dont take any losses anywhere else non-conferece. That's the blueprint to making the playoff
Posted by bbnitiger
Member since Feb 2024
103 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:17 am to
You are making this way too complicated. ESPN doesn’t make money on fans in the seats. ESPN makes money on selling ads which are supported by TV viewing numbers. ESPN doesn’t have to make record setting ad revenue off of the bowls. They only have to make more money than the content that would replace all of this air time that would be available by eliminating the bowls. That’s a lot of dodge ball on the air without the bowls.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
12846 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:18 am to
Just make the Pop Tarts bowl the National Championship game and be done with it. Nothing would be more entertaining than watching random flavored pop tart mascots running amok around the field while the two best teams in the country battle it out for the title at the same time.
Posted by SmoothBox
Member since May 2023
2471 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:21 am to
quote:

Disney only cares about TV viewership and therefore ad rev. empty seats is only an optics problem


This guy gets it.

Attendance is a blip on the radar.

Television ads which there are no shortage of is the big money. Until those start drastically reducing you’ll never see a drop in bowl games.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
16460 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:25 am to
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Thru 24 bowl games this year attendance is averaging a whopping 22,077


That’s a terrible way to analyze attendance as a whole without taking into account the venues.

There were 2 bowl games in a 12,000 seat stadium in Frisco
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 11:25 am
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25224 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:27 am to
quote:

move it to the first of the season - ala kickoff classics.
expand to include basically all P4 teams
let conferences/teams continue to work together to create fair matchups
use it as the Wk 0 game. count it. teams schedule 2 more games + conference schedule.


My only gripe with this is that it robs the fans of having quality OOC games on campus and of having opportunities for bucket list road trips to experience some of the historically great college football traditions around the country.

And if you're trying to do it as Week 0 games for all P4 teams, then you'd need 35 neutral site stadiums that have availability on that same weekend...which may be difficult with NFL preseason going on at the same time. And the TV networks may not want to go for that idea because the viewer eyeballs would be split up among so many marquee games all going on at the same time. TV networks would rather split those games up across a couple of different weeks to maximize ratings.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25224 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:31 am to
quote:

There were 2 bowl games in a 12,000 seat stadium in Frisco


And neither game came anywhere close to filling that small stadium. 6500 attendance for one game, 7800 for the other.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
16460 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:32 am to
That’s not the point

OP says you can take out to of the largest attendances to make the average even lower while we keep in two attendance totals under 8k

Posted by Toki Wartooth
Mordhaus
Member since Mar 2019
972 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:42 am to
It really is wild seeing how many threads have been made bitching about there being too many bowl games, bowls suck, bowls are meaningless, blah blah blah. Just turn off the TV and do something else. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you watch them and you aren’t paying a dime to any of the bowls so why does it matter?
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