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re: The bigger injustice is the scheduling

Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:52 am to
Posted by AA77
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:52 am to
Rotate both cross divisional games.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5624 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:53 am to
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tennessee was better than florida for a long time


When in the last 40 years?

In the 1970s and when Zook was there?

Florida was better in the 80s, 90s, and most of the 2000s
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38270 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:55 am to
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This is the real Bama bias.



Of all the things that may or may not confirm Bama bias, this ain't one

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The fact that we played UGA and AT Florida (2years in a row) , while bama gets mizzou and Tennessee is why Lsu HAS to beat bama next week to stay relevant, but bama will get another mulligan if they lose .


Florida is our cross division permanent opponent, Tennessee is Bama's. When those selections were made, Tennessee was on par, if not better than Florida and, honestly, Bama-Tennessee was an actual rivalry. Auburn-Georgia were as well. Of the remaining teams in the East, Florida was by far the closest to a rival that we had and has turned into a full fledged rivalry. Playing them 2 years in a row away is because we played them 2 years in a row at tiger stadium due to that hurricane and their AD being better at manipulating the system than ours.

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I may be off on the numbers but I don’t think bama has had to play Georgia and Florida in the same season since the current system was put in place, but lsu has done it 3-4 times.


They won't unless they play one in the regular and the other in the SECCG. Nothing they can do about that. 1 permanent east rival, rotate through the rest. Next year Bama plays Tenn and So Car. We play Florida and Vandy.

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I have no idea why auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, etc are ok with this inequality. Traditional rivalries my arse. The only tradition i see is giving Bama an easier route to the playoffs or conference championship than anybody else in the sec west.


You have no clue what you're talking about here. IF there are any traditional rivalries between east-west SEC teams it is Bama-Tenn, Aub-Georgia, and LSU-Florida. I think Florida and LSU have played continuously from 1971 to now. We've play them more often than we have played Auburn.

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Getting other teams, conferences, media to pick up this message is the only way it will change, because the SEC is obviously not concerned with scheduling equality.


If we complain about this, you know what they'll see. A bunch of LSU fans whining like little girls.

Complain about actual injustices, like the targeting penalty against White, that media types can clearly see and rally around.

I know you mean well and are clearly passionate about LSU, I don't want to tamp that down. I just want you to realize you're complaining about a non issue.

Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12087 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:01 am to
You're blind dude. Every team gets bad calls on the field. Not every team gets hosed by the schedule every year.

I understand why its not happening. That's the whole point of the thread. It needs to be changed. Rotate the opponents equally and then there's no scheduling bias. Keep it the same and LSU is fighting an uphill battle every year. Its not complicated.
Posted by jbraua
Oklahoma City, OK
Member since Oct 2007
7128 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:10 am to
The committee considers SOS. If we lose to Bama, our schedule will give us the best resume to get in over any other two loss team in the country. All of the other current one loss teams still have lose-able games on their schedule. We may be thanking our lucky stars for our schedule come December 2.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:15 am to
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The committee considers SOS. If we lose to Bama, our schedule will give us the best resume to get in over any other two loss team in the country. All of the other current one loss teams still have lose-able games on their schedule. We may be thanking our lucky stars for our schedule come December 2.


Yeah they consider SOS plenty, and I've got some beachfront property to sell you in Kansas.

LSU having to play Florida every year doesn't do LSU any more favors from a strength of schedule perspective, but as one poster said, it removes all safety net we have. A loss to UF nearly insures we don't get to the SECCG.

ETA: at 11-2 and no conference championship, we aren't sniffing the playoffs. Had we beat UF, a close loss to Bama wouldn't end our playoff hopes. But a loss to Bama next weekend eliminates us. How much does having Florida on our schedule this year hurt us instead of say a Vandy or Mizzou?
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 11:19 am
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:15 am to
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ALABAMA HAS PLAYED UGA ONCE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
LSU played UGA 4 times in that regular season span.

What about that do you not get?

We started a new rotation after the bridge schedules. I think you play each team every 6 years now.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:22 am to
Since 2000, LSU has played UGA/UF in the reg season 25 times. Bama? 10. So pre-bridge schedule, bridge schedule, or post-bridge schedule, it doesn't matter. There are serious scheduling inequities.

You have to be a homer not to see it.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:24 am to
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There are serious scheduling inequities.

You have to be a homer not to see it.

For the love of God. Show me where I'm saying they are equal.

I'm saying for the one rotational opponent, everyone is on the same schedule. Nothing more, nothing less.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 11:26 am
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:26 am to
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For the love of God. Show me where I'm saying they are equal.

You keep repeating the same "since the bridge schedule" line as if it's some justification for the past and current schedule issues. It's irrelevant to the point of this thread.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:27 am to
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You keep repeating the same "since the bridge schedule" line as if it's some justification for the past and current schedule issues. It's irrelevant to the point of this thread

We were strictly talking about having to play Georgia.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32116 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:28 am to
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In 1992 LSU was in the cellar and could only dream of getting to the point where this even mattered. But here we are and now it needs to be addressed.


So you're advocating things need to be changed IN LSU'S FAVOR simply because they are good now relative to the early 90's. What happens if you flip Tenn and UF, then 16 years later UF falls off a cliff while UT is a powerhouse again? Are we going to cry "unfair" once more?

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Can somebody please explain why "traditional rivalries" are more important than a level playing field? This is supposed to be a freaking competition, not a family reunion. Answer that question and then i'll get off my soap box.


For it's entire history one of the biggest positive attributes of college sports (football in particular) have been traditional rivalries? It creates interest and passion. If you want to say the UT/Bama rivalry and/or UGA/AU rivalries are a bit overblown, I'd tend to agree. But tradition is a HUGE part of college football. Hell, maybe the most endearing part

The NFL has a level playing field with no real accommodation for traditional rivalries, but does that incite same degree of pride or passion that comes from big college rivalries. Alabama/Auburn shuts down an entire state. Texas and OU love to hate each other. A Lions vs. Bengals game doesn't produce even a tenth of the excitement Michigan v. OSU does.

Tradition is what separates college football from pro football. It's big reason why we all love it.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29720 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:29 am to
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It’s cyclical bro, we just have the misfortune of UF being good over the last 15 years and Tenn being bad.


this. UF has been pretty weak for a the last 5+ years, too bad Tenn has been worse.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:31 am to
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We were strictly talking about having to play Georgia.


You may have been, but that ignores the crux of the problem: the permanent cross division rivals create a tremendous scheduling imbalance. But to your point, LSU has also played UGA in the reg season more than Bama since 2000, too.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14120 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:33 am to
1. I am against permanent cross-divisional games period. Ever time it has been brought up, 11 of the 14 teams vote to keep it. Unfortunately, that is not going to change.

2. Since we are NOW on a regular schedule of rotating cross-divisional opponents, UGA and bama will have to play as often as UGA-LSU. That's not been true in the past but is true now.

3. Since Tennessee went into the dumpster after 2007, Alabama has had a better situation with permanent opponents than Auburn (UGA) or LSU (UF) has. And it will stay that way until Tennessee figures their situation out.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:34 am to
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But to your point, LSU has also played UGA in the reg season more than Bama since 2000, too.

Yes. We addressed that. That's why I was saying we are all on the same rotation since the end of the bridge schedules.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:35 am to
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That's not been true in the past but is true now

It was true until the bridge schedules started, and I've agreed that y'all got a raw deal.
Posted by jbraua
Oklahoma City, OK
Member since Oct 2007
7128 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:43 am to
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at 11-2 and no conference championship, we aren't sniffing the playoffs.


I disagree. I could see another scenario playing out like 2007. We would jump a two loss Big XII or B10 Champion.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:43 am to
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1. I am against permanent cross-divisional games period. Ever time it has been brought up, 11 of the 14 teams vote to keep it. Unfortunately, that is not going to change.


They've been putting this to a vote as an all or nothing item. We either keep all permanents or do away with all permanents.

I'm pretty sure if they allow the ADs to vote on autonomy of each school to decide, then they'd support that measure. If LSU and Florida are the only two schools who don't want to play every year, they should have the option to opt out and go for an extra cross division rotating team.
Posted by Central Tiger
Louisiana
Member since May 2006
2669 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:48 am to
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The committee considers SOS. If we lose to Bama, our schedule will give us the best resume to get in over any other two loss team in the country. All of the other current one loss teams still have lose-able games on their schedule. We may be thanking our lucky stars for our schedule come December 2


Regardless if they all have “lose-able” games or not, do you not think an intentional unfair conference SOS puts LSU at a disadvantage over Bama?

Let’s put it another way. Let’s say LSU only loss was to Florida, but they beat Bama and went to the SEC Championship game. They then lost to Georgia in a rematch which would give them 2 losses. Are you saying that you believe that Bama would not get the playoff spot over a two loss LSU, simply because they had a tougher overall SOS?

Realistically, speaking, not based on what the committee says the give to SOS consideration.

This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 11:49 am
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