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re: The big Elephant in the room
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:43 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:43 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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"Quality Loss" is now part of the game
How many time, each year do the talking heads start saying, it's when you lose? I.E. beginning of the year/end of the year. Bama lost a close game in OT in early Nov.
After that, Okie St was ahead of them. They lost later in the season, to a team that was 28 point dogs. The same thing happened this year, that's happened every yr in college ball. The 2 best teams played at the end of the yr in the BCS CG.
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Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:44 am to Alabamya
Facts remain Alabama was the best team this year and proved it.
After all the games were played Alabama has best Resume and crystal
After all the games were played Alabama has best Resume and crystal
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:49 am to MetryTyger
If every coach that voted OSU 4,5 or 6 voted them 3rd, alabama would still have gone. Just quelling that argument. Brad Edwards posted the numbers the same day the poll came out.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:51 am to ApexTiger
quote:Haven't read the whole thread yet, but the first part of this sentence is inaccurate, IMO. Few respected talking heads acknowledged this. The talking points that were picked up and recited ad nauseum by the vast majority of sports journalists who matter were (1) these are the two best teams, (2) the BCS is designed to match up the two best teams, and (3) LSU and Alabama would most likely meet up if there was a plus-one format in place.
many talking heads and college fans I know said as much repeatedly
If you watched ABC, CBS or ESPN on championship weekend (SEC) it was a foregone conclusion that Bama was in the title game, and absolutely no questioning the rationale behind it.
The mulligan, do-over, here's-your-second-chance-now-don't-frick-it-up angle was not brought up in the mainstream sports media.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:54 am to Kcoyote
When did LSU fans becomes Ok lite fans?
Couple more things: OSU played the same amount of games as Alabama. They won their championship by default and had TWO bye weeks built into their schedule. One of them was before they played their instate rival at home while Oklahoma was playing.
Oklahoma state's opponents finished up with a worse record than alabama's.
Alabama didn't lose to a 6-7 team.
Couple more things: OSU played the same amount of games as Alabama. They won their championship by default and had TWO bye weeks built into their schedule. One of them was before they played their instate rival at home while Oklahoma was playing.
Oklahoma state's opponents finished up with a worse record than alabama's.
Alabama didn't lose to a 6-7 team.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:56 am to BhamDore
quote:
Facts remain Alabama was the best team this year and proved it.
Not the case at all. They were better than LSU on 1/9 but not 11/5.
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After all the games were played Alabama has best Resume and crystal
No, they don't' have the best resume and that's not even close. Please explain to me how they have the best resume?
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:57 am to GarmischTiger
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If you watched ABC, CBS or ESPN on championship weekend (SEC) it was a foregone conclusion that Bama was in the title game, and absolutely no questioning the rationale behind it.
The mulligan, do-over, here's-your-second-chance-now-don't-frick-it-up angle was not brought up in the mainstream sports media.
FACT
i love the best loss argument.....though i'm still trying to figure out WTF a best loss is.
BTW The BCS does not in any way promise that the two best teams will meet. What it says is two highest ranked teams. And the #2 ranking was manipulated by the media.
It also says that an emphasis is placed on the regular season and that bowl games are rewards for that regular season play.
Unless there is a tournament style playoffs.....there will often be difficulty having a unanimous champion supported by all fans.
We all deserve better and so do the players of all teams
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 11:01 am
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:58 am to GarmischTiger
quote:
Haven't read the whole thread yet, but the first part of this sentence is inaccurate, IMO. Few respected talking heads acknowledged this. The talking points that were picked up and recited ad nauseum by the vast majority of sports journalists who matter were (1) these are the two best teams, (2) the BCS is designed to match up the two best teams, and (3) LSU and Alabama would most likely meet up if there was a plus-one format in place. If you watched ABC, CBS or ESPN on championship weekend (SEC) it was a foregone conclusion that Bama was in the title game, and absolutely no questioning the rationale behind it. The mulligan, do-over, here's-your-second-chance-now-don't-frick-it-up angle was not brought up in the mainstream sports media.
I think you made a valid point.
When I say talking heads I mean local Radio and Sirus type guys.
Not ESPN types, though a few of them were against the rematch as well.
Gary Danielson was strongly against a rematch.
Because there is no playoff, a rematch should be avoided. (The regular season dictates whether you make it to Atlanta, so it's basically a playoff is it not?)
I don't care how good Alabama is or was or perceived...They lost an importants SECW playoff game at home in my mind...
I'm still ticked off they sat at home watching us sweat out a victory over UGA as if they had earned a bye week in a playoff format for the National Championship.
at the time it was pretty much a forgone conclusion Alabama was in the title game, "Unless LSU were to lose to UGA".
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:00 am to Kcoyote
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Alabama didn't lose to a 6-7 team.
Alabama didn't play or beat 6 ranked teams either
Alabama played Georgia southern for goodness sakes and fell only one spot when lost at home...
that means everyone else had to go undefeated...that's dumb
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:01 am to ApexTiger
Friendo, most of those talking heads you mention also said it was a foregone conclusion that LSU was in even if they lost to UGA.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:02 am to ApexTiger
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and fell only one spot when lost at home...
The same weekend Arky won and actually fell a spot
If thats not bias i dont know what is
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:03 am to ApexTiger
Read the part where I mentioned that Bama's opponents have a combined better record than OSU's. Then think about it. Also, Ga southern was ranked above about 50 division 1 schools.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:08 am to ApexTiger
quote:The slight tweak above reflects my feelings exactly.
Because there is no playoff, a rematch should be avoided.
I don't care how good Alabama is or was or perceived...They lost what should have been an elimination game at home in my mind...
IMO - and I don't care if I stand accused of being a p*ssy - LSU earned the right to play a lesser opponent for the championship. Because what else did the win on 5 November get us? (And the answer is not the SEC Championship; the win over Georgia provided that).
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:09 am to Kcoyote
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When did LSU fans becomes Ok lite fans?
We're not. We're discussion the unprecedented anomaly that was the end of the season
quote:
OSU played the same amount of games as Alabama. They won their championship by default and had TWO bye weeks built into their schedule.
Explain default? They had 1 conf loss and the second place team had 2 losses. Arguably the Big 12 was a better conference. You want excuses? Throw in the short week road game plane crash issue. Bama lost their game at home after a bye week if that's so important.
quote:Again, you had a bye week and still lost at home. Shouldn't that count against you?
One of them was before they played their instate rival at home while Oklahoma was playing.
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Oklahoma state's opponents finished up with a worse record than alabama's.
Pattently false. Burden of proof is on you to prove this statemetn since every singer indicator of strength of schedule favored OSU over even LSU for much of the year.
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Alabama didn't lose to a 6-7 team.
Nope. And they Alabama didn't have as many quality wins either. Which is it?
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:12 am to Kcoyote
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Read the part where I mentioned that Bama's opponents have a combined better record than OSU's
You just stated that. I can't say I can fly, so what?
Post the numbers, we'll see the records. If Bama's opponents have bette records I'll fully eat crow.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:13 am to Ghostfacedistiller
Oklahoma was playing before ok state. LSU also had a bye so there is no advantage there but the advantage goes to Oklahoma state.
The overall record can be found if you want to add it up. I know I'm right because I've done it before.
The overall record can be found if you want to add it up. I know I'm right because I've done it before.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:15 am to Kcoyote
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Friendo, most of those talking heads you mention also said it was a foregone conclusion that LSU was in even if they lost to UGA.
I know, I was a little uncomfortable with that talk.
I never liked OU getting in 2003
LSU would have been in this year because we had built up so many BCS points...why? Because LSU's resume this year was really good... and Alabama's wasn't IMHO.
The bottom line for me is this:
I didn't want to play Alabama again because we already had to beat them on the road to earn our spot in the title game. Both SEC and MNC spots.
They were a great team this year, but it never sucked for them to lose to LSU...that's what upset me along.
In summary:
LSU having to beat a great Alabama twice while they only had to beat LSU once is unfair...
Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean we can't complain about an unjust situation for our beloved Tigers.
I said all along, I could handle losing to OSU much better than losing to Alabama .
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:25 am to Kcoyote
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I know I'm right because I've done it before.
Post the numbers.
I'll do it for you.
NCAA
OSU 90 wins and 56 losses .620
Alabama 78 wins and 51 losses .600
This is after the bowl games allowing Alabama to increase their lead over OSU and they benefit from a decent I-AA Ga Southern
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:27 am to ApexTiger
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LSU having to beat a great Alabama twice while they only had to beat LSU once is unfair...
Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean we can't complain about an unjust situation for our beloved Tigers.
I said all along, I could handle losing to OSU much better than losing to Alabama .
I agree. It's only "unfair" becasue it turned precident and conventional wisdom of college football on it's head.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 11:27 am to ApexTiger
It was a rematch from hell scenario for LSU. The psychology was all in favor of Bama.
Question though. Has anyone run the #'s on what the BCS would've been had the AP still been involved? I also wonder how many AP voters would've lurched Okie lite ahead of Bama in that scenario. There was a likely protest vote on the horizon in the AP had Bama not won so convincingly.
And I think LSU would've shown up more against OSU. Completely different dynamic.
Question though. Has anyone run the #'s on what the BCS would've been had the AP still been involved? I also wonder how many AP voters would've lurched Okie lite ahead of Bama in that scenario. There was a likely protest vote on the horizon in the AP had Bama not won so convincingly.
And I think LSU would've shown up more against OSU. Completely different dynamic.
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