re: The big Elephant in the room

i think that the messed up part about the whole ordeal is i have a feeling i know exactly what the bama fans would say if the situation was reversed the year they won it all.. say they beat auburn in the iron bowl.. then auburn wouldn't have to play in the SEC championship, then get another crack at the gumps.. bama fans would be pissed

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OSU can whine all they want but the fact of the matter is OSU lost to a mediocre to bad Iowa State team while Bama at least lost to the #1 team. If you want to determine which 1-los team is the most deserving, that is an easy determination.

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Yes, we get it.

"Quality Loss" is now part of the game.

The fact that Bama fans are too arrogant and ignorant to realize the negative impact this will have on CFB as a whole is what bothers me.

Again, slippery slope.

What is the point of a team like LSU or OSU playing all these ranked teams, winning their conference, etc, when teams like Bama can beat one or two ranked teams, lose their most important game, then get granted a mulligan?

None.

As a fan of CFB, this should worry anyone who isn't an entitled/media darling team. I get it. You have this luxury that a hundred or so other program don't have.

Again, just wait until ESPN decides a third place Pac 10 USC belongs in the title game against Pac 12 champ Oregon while an SEC team who beat 7 top 30 teams sits at home.

We will all be pissed.

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For instance, what if you told the SF 49ers they would have to play the Saints again in the NFC championship.

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Your analogy is off:

This would be like telling the SF 49ers they had to play the Saints again in the Super Bowl, after the 49ers had to beat NY or GB this weekend while the Saints sat at home. Not to mention the entire pregame show on Fox would feature Sean Peyton as a guest host.

LOL

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ApexTiger
The big Elephant in the room

LSU didn't want to play Alabama again.

It wasn't fair that they should have had to, and many talking heads and college fans I know said as much repeatedly... Not many people liked the rematch.
I know I know, its all over now.

I just think that's the real underlying issue of such a lopsided game.

Alabama wanted to play LSU badly, and LSU would have much preferred to play Alabama next year in BR.

Alabama didn't recieve any real consequences from losing at home to a division rival that went undefeated.

LSU coaches and players could never admit these feelings in the public eye(as if they had a choice anyways), but if I am an LSU player, why would I want to play Alabama a 2nd time for all the marbles?

LSU played in the SEC championship game (an extra game), While Alabama sat at home fueling their fire.

Alabama won fairly, but the game should have never been played...
When I am old, that's my story

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You just expressed my feelings exactly.
Add to that the fact that a group of idiot coaches and human poll voters in the BCS voted Oklahoma State FIFTH OR SIXTH instead of 2nd or 3rd like everybody else, and Alabama would not have been in N.O. on Jan. 9....

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This would be like telling the SF 49ers they had to play the Saints again in the Super Bowl

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The NFL comparisons to this situation is laughable. Even Saban used the NFL as an example of rematches.

For instance, Saints and Falcons (in the same divison) will never play each other in the Super Bowl. Whoever wins the conference will be the Super Bowl against the winner of the other conference. What a concept.

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The NFL comparisons to this situation is laughable

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I agree, but I did a good job of using that poster's analogy and applying it to this year.

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Even Saban used the NFL as an example of rematches.

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Saban and ESPN will lie about anything and everything to get their way. Sad thing is, they will always get their way. We need to deal with that as fans, and learn to deal with it soon. LOL

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LSU won. Are they better? Maybe, maybe not. But they won.

Now all of a sudden, it wasn't for all the marbles. It was just an exhibition. Blood, sweat, tears, effort all expended to get over this ONE hurdle---- wait, now you have to do it again. NEXT time, it will be for real. But, that's not what was said to these kids before the game. This was supposed to be IT.

Now, clearly, the emotional response to that is going to be HUGELY different for the two teams.

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Bottom line, you can never determine who is the "best" in any sport as teams change, etc.--every system has flaws. You can crown a champion and that has been done.

Alabama won the BCS Championship by the rules, and showed up when it mattered most. Congrats and you can't take that away.

But, yeah, I think the rematch was a huge edge psychologically for Alabama. Just translate to your own life with a test or project. No one wants to do something difficult more than once espescially you're told and history supports that if you succeed you won't have to do it again. When you put effort into something, fail, and get a second chance, you usually get it a second time.

I still don't think Alabama should have made under long-established protocol. In college football, you play a very small percentage of teams. Bowls have evolved to (make money) and match like teams from different conferences. It’s just how it works. The SEC and Big 12 were clearly the strongest conferences and their one-loss champ should have made it.

The other elephant in the room (no pun intended) is that if OSU wore burnt orange or crimson and cream jerseys they probably would have made it. If Bama's resume wore the jerseys of Ole Miss or Arkansas they would not have made it.

It reminds me of the Electoral College in a way. Gore had more votes than Bush (Bama was a better eyeball team than OSU). Tough shite, Gore didn't get enough electoral votes (Bama didn’t win their conference). Right or wrong that's how the system has played out historically. If Bama was the only viable, BCS conference team, then ok. They were not; the champion of arguably the strongest conference was left out.

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OSU can whine all they want but the fact of the matter is OSU lost to a mediocre to bad Iowa State team while Bama at least lost to the #1 team. If you want to determine which 1-los team is the most deserving, that is an easy determination.

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Gump Alter

Still pushing the best loss argument

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This would be like telling the SF 49ers they had to play the Saints again in the Super Bowl, after the 49ers had to beat NY or GB this weekend while the Saints sat at home. Not to mention the entire pregame show on Fox would feature Sean Peyton as a guest host.

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This is the best analogy. Obviously it's "laughable" because it would never happen as no system from under 5 YMCA soccer to international events like the World Cup or Olympics determine their champion is such a manner as FBS. There is no parrellel.

Continue the analogy that the 4-loss Baltimore wins the AFC under established protocols but since the 3-loss Saints were deemed more deserving, they jumped the Ravens and played the Niners in the Super Bowl.

Of course it sounds absurd, but there you have it.

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Was the eye test wrong? Sometimes you can just tell who is better and the voters did that.All OSU had to do was beat a 5-7 team and the eye test would not have mattered.

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Again, we congratulate you on winning your mulligan

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We don't know it was right or wrong. We don't know what OSU would have done vs. LSU becasue they never had their shot. They did beat another BCS conference 1-loss team.

Even if for the sake or argument they "eye test" was right, so what? It could have easily been wrong and had LSU won more questions would have been asked.