re: The backjudge is the culprit

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Are you the guy that backed the refs last year when they called 29 penalties to 5 in the Barbe/WM game? They were so bad Rivals wrote an article on them and you said the guy wasn't there even after posters told you he was there and they had spoken with him?

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Possibly. I don't recall the Rivals part, but it's possible. Dig it up and then we will both know. I would guess though that if I said anything about some Rivals guy it would be wondering whether or not he was present, as I would really have no way of knowing whether or not he was there. Of course some posters saying that he was there doesn't really prove anything one way or the other since folks can pretty much post what they want with no true way to verify something one way or the other, but I digress.

I can tell you though that I have seen two different videos of the game in question and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the way that game was called (you do know that just because a team commits far more fouls than their opponent, in and of itself means nothing, right?)- and the assistant commissioner of the LHSAA also agreed with that assessment. You can take that FWIW.

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It's not the officials job to put a player "in line." I don't know that this is what happened in this case, but it's the coaches job to put a player "in line."

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It most certainly is, and if you can do it by talking to the player before you have to put a flag on it then that's all the better. It's called preventive officiating and it happens in every single game at every level.

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I was actually referring to the non-call in any other game this season. You going to tell me that nobody taunted in any state, in any game, 6 games into the season. Your argument of not every penalty gets called is invalid when this penalty has never been called.

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Couldn't tell you, but if we are talking consistency and this particlar crew didn't have a need (Lesism) to penalize anouther taunt in this game, well then it's pretty tough to talk about them being inconsistent.

Where do you and the assistant commissioner reside? A team averaging 6 flags a game, known for their discipline receives 29 flags and nothing seems out of the ordinary. "Sorry Coach, you guys just all of a sudden forgot how to play and committed a penalty half of the plays you were on defense." Yeah right

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Can you find that? I could not. Here is one of the subsections that I think applies:

(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent's goal line or diving into the end zone.

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There's the problem right there. Given the fact that virtually no one in the stadium saw what Wing did in real time, in what way was the action "obvious?" Were the opposing players going to feel slighted when they got to the sidelines and their booth called down and told them that when they saw the replay in slow motion that Wing had punked them? As oon as the flag went down and it was clear there had been no blocking issues, it was obvious what the call was going to be. The problem was that no one actually saw him do anything to draw it.

This is all about the spirit of the rule, and instead of pointing out that this rule was meant to stop the type of showboating we can all pull up in our mind's eye with guys like Deion, or Terrel Owens, or Ochocinco, etc we've got guys hiding behind the specifics of the wording as justification for throwing this flag. Instead, the first time this rule is put into effect is on a kicker who flashes his arms out so meekly that it took a still photo to see it in it's full tauntiness. I'm sure this type of behavior is exactly what the rules committee had in mind when they wrote this shitty rule.

First time I have heard "Crocodile Puntee"! I like it and can envision a "honey badger" type shirt with a croc celebrating. Nice job.

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I'm sure this type of behavior is exactly what the rules committee had in mind when they wrote this shitty rule.

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I don't think punishing really blatant taunting is a bad thing, but from the spot of the foul is a bad thing. I am not 100% sure that it was meant to penalize someone like Wing and his semi taunt.

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Really, that's not waht Jordy told us.

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Ok, and I saw Les going nuts on the official

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There's the problem right there. Given the fact that virtually no one in the stadium saw what Wing did in real time, in what way was the action "obvious?" Were the opposing players going to feel slighted when they got to the sidelines and their booth called down and told them that when they saw the replay in slow motion that Wing had punked them? As oon as the flag went down and it was clear there had been no blocking issues, it was obvious what the call was going to be. The problem was that no one actually saw him do anything to draw it.

This is all about the spirit of the rule, and instead of pointing out that this rule was meant to stop the type of showboating we can all pull up in our mind's eye with guys like Deion, or Terrel Owens, or Ochocinco, etc we've got guys hiding behind the specifics of the wording as justification for throwing this flag. Instead, the first time this rule is put into effect is on a kicker who flashes his arms out so meekly that it took a still photo to see it in it's full tauntiness. I'm sure this type of behavior is exactly what the rules committee had in mind when they wrote this shitty rule.

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The rule hasn't really changed, what has changed is the enforcement spot.

And it was easy enough for the B to see Wing, Wing was looking right at him along with two opponents - that's why the flag came from where it did.

I can understand from the standpoint of consistency wanting to penalize live ball fouls as live ball fouls, but at the same time, penalizing unsportsmanlike as dead ball all the time seemed to work.

You can thank the coaches for the change, becuase that's where it came from.

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Who was in a "heated discussion" and what exactly "was alleged"?

I don't recall seeing any "heated discussions" tell me more.

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Something we have talked about for the last day and a half.