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tAthletic: LSU Football, Saints among top sports teams using “S2 Cognition” for advantage
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:45 am
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:45 am
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Get used to hearing about an athlete’s “S2 score.” Maybe less about the Wonderlic.
“It’s almost like cheating to me, to find this information out,” Jack Marucci, LSU’s director of athletic training, said of the data provided by S2 Cognition, started in 2016 by former Vanderbilt professors Brandon Ally and Scott Wylie.
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To the sharpest of the sharp. Someone like, say, Joe Burrow, who led LSU to the national championship and won the Heisman Trophy last season, went No. 1 overall to the Bengals and will lead them Sunday against the Tennessee Titans. Everyone knows about his arm, his athleticism, his actual “intangibles” such as leadership. But did you know his S2 score is ridiculous?
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In basic terms, Burrow’s brain processes information and operates his body exactly as a GM looking to invest in a franchise quarterback would hope. And that may be obvious to anyone who watches Burrow. But it’s not so simple with some players. The S2 site also compares two actual, unnamed NFL safeties, one of whom was drafted in the first round and one in the fourth.
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But however exactly S2 was involved in the 2017 Saints draft, it was involved — and Marshon Lattimore, Ryan Ramczyk, Marcus Williams and Alvin Kamara count as another testimonial
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We had 10 guys go in the third round or higher last year,” said Marucci, who is in his 24th season at LSU. “They’re all elite or close to elite mental processors. It’s not an accident.” And LSU was the first place to find that out.
Now the best part...
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The first call, when S2 was still a part-time endeavor, went from Ally to Tommy Moffitt. Moffitt is LSU’s assistant AD for strength and conditioning, and he was Ally’s strength coach at Tennessee in the 1990s. Moffitt invited Ally and Wylie to come give a presentation on the testing to Les Miles’ football staff. Some, such as John Chavis, wanted nothing to do with it.
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But then you’ll have someone like Dave Aranda,” Ally said of the former LSU defensive coordinator who arrived there in 2016, “who is like ‘Oh dude, yeah, let’s sit down and have a conversation. Tell me more. Let’s talk the same language.’”
The key was Marucci. “I said, ‘Man, this is exactly what we need,’” Marucci said. “I was always obsessed with, ‘There’s got to be some way we can measure these guys, their football IQ, their ability to process.’
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LSU hasn’t just learned its players through the S2 testing. It has used drills to work on weaknesses, changed positions at times and employed receivers and pass rushers on the left or right side based on results.
Ed Orgeron, who replaced Miles in 2016, has embraced the data and its benefits. Marucci called it “a significant piece” in the program’s rise to last season’s national championship and record-tying supply of 14 players to the NFL Draft.
Pretty interesting read if you’re subscribed to the athletic
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:48 am to S
First rule about S2. You don't talk about S2.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:48 am to S
Well shite how many drills does Damone Clark have to do?
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:49 am to S
Between S2 and jugs machines how in the hell are we 2-2
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:50 am to wutangfinancial
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Oh dude, yeah, let’s sit down and have a conversation. Tell me more. Let’s talk the same language.’”
I read this in Dave’s voice and now im sad...actually im lying I’m quite devastated.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:50 am to S
So how did the fancy S2 'puter machine fail to tell us that our defense wasn't picking up Pelini's scheme?
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:52 am to ATLTiger
Need to have the Defense use this. Offense probably hawging the technology
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:00 am to S
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I read this in Dave’s voice and now im sad...actually im lying I’m quite devastated.
I miss Dave's manila folders. they held the key to halftime adjustments.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:01 am to ATLTiger
The manila folder was everything
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:09 am to S
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Ed Orgeron, who replaced Miles in 2016, has embraced the data and its benefits. Marucci called it “a significant piece” in the program’s rise to last season’s national championship and record-tying supply of 14 players to the NFL Draft.
For people may think O is stubborn like Miles...he’s nothing like him. He’s willing to change and be on the cutting edge.
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:10 am to The Pirate King
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He’s willing to change and be on the cutting edge.
This falls a little flat when you try to reconcile it with the Pelini and Linehan hires.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:13 am to ProjectP2294
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This falls a little flat when you try to reconcile it with the Pelini and Linehan hires.
He also hired Joe Brady. You can be on the cutting edge and still hire experienced coordinators. There’s a balance to be had. Hence hiring Russ Callaway and Tettleton.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:33 am to S
Our safeties and LBs must score very low on this
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:34 am to The Pirate King
With the Pellini and Linehan hires, O trying to not do what Les did...hire his replacement!!!
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:35 am to The Pirate King
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You can be on the cutting edge and still hire experienced coordinators.
Not when those experienced coordinators are the ones we actually hired.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:46 am to Billder
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First rule about S2. You don't talk about S2
This. As soon as we get a competitive advantage we rush to the internet to tell the other teams about it. STFU.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:56 am to S
Jack Marucci might be the the most underrated asset in the entire athletic department.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:05 am to ATLTiger
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So how did the fancy S2 'puter machine fail to tell us that our defense wasn't picking up Pelini's scheme?
Cuz while we were measuring S2 ratings, Pelini was installing his defense at an S3 pace so it kinda got lost in translation.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:06 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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This. As soon as we get a competitive advantage we rush to the internet to tell the other teams about it. STFU.
I think this is more about the company trying to spread news about themselves and being one of their first customers, LSU wasn't going to damage the relationship by not speaking to the reporter for the article.
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