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Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:25 pm to
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:25 pm to
Who evaluated this talent? Talent evaluation is part of coaching. Hell, MM coached 2 of them for multiple years and one of them all of last season.

This team has 5 different players that have started and won NCAA Tournament games, and another that played major minutes for a team that made it to the round of 32. That is an incredible amount of high level experience. That is significantly more tournament experience than WW had last year. Instead he took a guy like Eason that was buried in the bench at Cincy and made him a lottery pick. Key word there is Wade developed the talent he had.

The talent on this team has been proven at a very high level. If MM can’t maximize that talent, that is on him.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 8:30 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48018 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:31 pm to
Exactly my point, every single player isn’t misevaluated and all of the sudden guys who’ve played well in the past can’t play. You even have Cam Hayes who’s produced with high efficiency and volume when given the chance but has been moved out of position and had his minutes eaten into by guys like Hill and Juice Williams who can’t play a lick. Again it all points to one thing, it’s inescapable.
Posted by slutiger5
Parroquias de Florida
Member since May 2007
10658 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:16 pm to
Bama has shot near 100 more threes than any other team in the sec. Very fast and all can shoot. They know the extra pass will eventually come to them. Very unselfish.

There are coaching flaws yesterday but that’s a squad. Wade vs McMahon not called for.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36211 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:23 pm to
I think people are upset with the way they dumped Wade and how supporters and we ticket holders got dumped on.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36211 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:26 pm to
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The talent on this team has been proven at a very high level. If MM can’t maximize that talent, that is on him.


Few if our kids would play for Alabama.
Would any start? Maybe Williams?
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8537 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:27 pm to
Yeah. When you fire a successful coach, the new guy is going to get compared to him, sorry if that hurts your feelings.

This is more than the Bama game. We have not been competitive in the last 3 games. Two of those games were against teams with equal talent - and we didn’t break 60.

Sorry, the last 3 games are on coaching and it looks like MM is close to losing the locker room. Not a good look.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 9:30 pm
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8537 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:29 pm to
This is more than the Bama game. This team is has not been competitive in the last 3 games. Florida and A&M have equal talent to this team. Neither of those teams have the experience that is on our roster.
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
8293 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:31 pm to
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Brian Kelly says hello.


Brian Kelly inherited zero scholarship players?
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:33 pm to
Alabama seems to have an impressive squad this year………
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8537 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:34 pm to
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This is more than the Bama game. This team is has not been competitive in the last 3 games. Florida and A&M have equal talent to this team. Neither of those teams have the experience that is on our roster.


Whoever down voted this statement, please explain how it is inaccurate? Or are you just down voting facts that don’t fit your narrative?


ETA. Lol! That’s what I thought. No real response. Just another down vote.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 9:36 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48018 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:33 pm to
You know exactly why they downvoted it. This place is becoming Twitter and the purple checks will not have their narratives debunked or even questioned.
Posted by crossfire
Alabama
Member since Oct 2010
2081 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:01 pm to
My issue is that Wade shouldn’t have been fired. If Wade was still coaching we would be a top 5 team in conference.

I’ll give MM a chance but so far it’s getting embarrassing.
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:39 pm to
Okay, KJ, Juice Hill, and Hannibal are 3 of the 5 you say have been "proven at a very high level", right?.
Did CMM mis-evaluate these guys talents? Are you saying they shouldn't be SEC starters and shouldn't have been brought along or just that CMM isn't maximizing their talent as well as he did before?
Miller - who is recovering from knee injury that has left him with zero hops to this point and has severely hindered his offensive game - along with M'wani and Justice Williams are the others, right?
I mean, what exactly did you expect this team to achieve in the SEC? KJ is your only All Conference level guy and the rest were role players on those teams though Juice was heavily relied on and he and M'wani did start.
Enough - this team is in no way as talented as even last years team. Whether guys have individually played in NCAA games doesn't mean shite whether it was Murray or LSU. One team's Tournament success doesn't prove it's players can succeed in a completely different situation like being on a new team that's competing in the SEC or any other P5.
Because players aren't as good as expected in current surroundings doesn't mean the Coach is suddenly fer shite when he too has been successful at a different level with a different team.
I wasn't a CWW sycophant. I liked him because the Tigers won games. I expect to like CMM at some point for the same reason.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 11:40 pm
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24489 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:12 am to
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Do your eyes tell you that each of these players has been evaluated accurately? Is Miller who you thought he was? Juice Hill? At this point, do your eyes tell you that this team has 5 legit starters capable of Average SEC performance? Do your eyes tell you that Ward, Phillips, and Reid play like Top 100 Recruits? Other than KJ, my eyes haven't seen many consistently average performances - let alone the kind of individual flashes of god given athleticism you associate with above average talent. I love em' all because they're Tigers but our talent level is below average.

He brought 2 starters and a key bench player from a team that won 31 games last season and signed a top 20 class plus MY EYES SAW MILLER STARTING LAST SEASON for a tournament team until he blew out his knee.

Eyes my arse. This is freaking basketball. You need a 7 man rotation to stay with a bad UF and TAMU team but but but Will Wade.

Just stop this narrative bull crap. He is getting out coached. It is really simple.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37535 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:22 am to
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Just stop this narrative bull crap. He is getting out coached. It is really simple.
I know you were responding to someone else, but I'll chime in.

My issue isn't Bama loss. It's like you said, TAMU and UF. We should not be this bad.

I was told by posters here he has all the X's and O's. Not sure what that was based on. And I'm not here to bash Coach Mc. I see what I see.
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:25 am to
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Exactly my point, every single player isn’t misevaluated and all of the sudden guys who’ve played well in the past can’t play.
True. And by the same token, you can't say the coach who was successful with these same players has suddenly forgot how to coach them. The step up to the SEC is the difference.
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You even have Cam Hayes who’s produced with high efficiency and volume when given the chance but has been moved out of position and had his minutes eaten into by guys like Hill and Juice Williams who can’t play a lick. Again it all points to one thing, it’s inescapable.
Hayes has been a little nicked up but hard to argue he's not the best option at point. He'll be in at the end of games that are close no matter the position. The rotation isn't strong and whoever you like, you can't play 5 guys for 40 minutes.
The 3 freshmen are getting more PT which is necessary to develop them and the program.
I just can't agree that CMM is doing a horseshite job. He hasn't forgot how to Coach. Much as many of us were hoping for a miracle top tier Conference finish, this was going to be a tough season.
I said before it all started that the freshman would determine this team's ceiling. I really expected each of them to be a little more advanced but they will just have to develop like every other player.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 12:27 am
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37535 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:31 am to
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as many of us were hoping for a miracle top tier Conference finish
No one thought this. We expected middle of the pack.
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I just can't agree that CMM is doing a horseshite job.
He needs to do better. At this pace we'll have 7 posters in a game thread like we had with Trent and Johnny.
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:10 am to
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MY EYES SAW MILLER STARTING LAST SEASON for a tournament team until he blew out his knee.
How the frick did you see that? Hurt the knee before the season started. Explain that you contrarian prick.
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He brought 2 starters and a key bench player from a team that won 31 games last season and signed a top 20 class
The MSU Transfers have performed far below what was generally expected except for KJ.

Try answering a couple questions to prove you actually watch the games and have at least some knowledge of basketball.
Do your eyes tell you that Miller is as good as you thought he would be?
What do your eyes tell you about Juice Hill and Hannibal? Are they as good as you thought they'd be in the SEC?
Do your eyes tell you that Ward, Phillips, and Reid play like Top 100 Recruits?
Even casual fans can answer these questions with their real opinions. Can you do the same instead of your normal contrarian know - nothing Troll Pussy posts?
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37535 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:20 am to
This isn't my conversation, but I will say Adam was lighting it up in practice prior to his ACL. He had that leap/trajectory potential. Same as a guy like Tari.
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:05 am to
The no hops has got to be from the knee.
I'd look for him to be back to whatever he was next season but it's a good sign that he's been trying to get to the hole some last 2 games.
He just can't finish without the vertical.
There's zero elevation on the 3's and the release has to be as fast as it is to be able to get em off.
I'm all for the kid - he's a Tiger!
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