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re: Stewart Mandel Rips The Tigers
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:32 am to ellis1975
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:32 am to ellis1975
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Unless you only follow LSU, you gotta admit that there are a few teams that are ranked behind us that had more impressive games yesterday. Every team has close wins but when ALL of your games are close, voters lose some confidence. Margin of victory is not suppose to count but it still has a HUGE impact in the minds of human voters.
Wisconsin looks good, and if our D played against D.Robinson, we'd have some serious troubles (see Cam + Masoli). Stanford really hasn't played anybody yet, and they lost to the only legit team they've played.
I think we need to go w/ body of work here. LSU has played a tough schedule and has 10 wins and a close loss @ Auburn. And of course, that's a pro-LSU argument, but I firmly believe if you dropped Stanford or Wisconsin in the SEC West this year, they would have at least 3-4 losses. We have four great teams in one division, more than either of those schools has in their entire conference.
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Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:33 am to cphill
Mandel is exactly correct, I don't know what you guys are bitching about. Les Mile's teams are maddening, world beaters one week and the next week they can't stop a weak sister from running up and down the field on them.
It's simply Miles inconsistent and incapable method of coaching that forces this team to constantly play close games and only win them by one score. It's his philosophy, and it sucks. LSU has won 7 games by one score or less this year. In many of those games, it should have won the game by 2 TD's or more.
It is what is, so get used to it. You guys all screamed and clamored for this guy to be our coach because he eats a stupid blade of grass, and now this is what we get to watch week after week for the next several years, eeeking out ugly wins against weak teams and occasionally stepping up and knocking off the big boys.
It's simply Miles inconsistent and incapable method of coaching that forces this team to constantly play close games and only win them by one score. It's his philosophy, and it sucks. LSU has won 7 games by one score or less this year. In many of those games, it should have won the game by 2 TD's or more.
It is what is, so get used to it. You guys all screamed and clamored for this guy to be our coach because he eats a stupid blade of grass, and now this is what we get to watch week after week for the next several years, eeeking out ugly wins against weak teams and occasionally stepping up and knocking off the big boys.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:35 am to Buckeye06
quote:LSU would beat either one. So would Auburn. So would Bama. USC/Ark would be a toss up.
You guys in this thread are telling me you would put $1000 straight up on the tigers to beat the Badgers or the Cardinal on a neutral field?
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:35 am to Tiger_n_ATL
I can still "feel" your disdain through all of your posts about Miles. Regardless of what he does, he'll never be good enough.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:37 am to Prominentwon
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I can still "feel" your disdain through all of your posts about Miles. Regardless of what he does, he'll never be good enough.
You know, I'm beginning to see that as well. There's honest and fair criticism, and then there's just being unfair, and there is a line there that you cross IMHO.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:40 am to Prominentwon
let me add that I agree with your post.
But I guess it's just with the way you worded it and you post history, that's how I come to that conclusion.
But I guess it's just with the way you worded it and you post history, that's how I come to that conclusion.
This post was edited on 11/21/10 at 8:41 am
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:40 am to Mike da Tigah
Ok,
This is a ? and I'm not sure the answer cause I'm not a guy who studies schedules all the time.
I think you guys were about .500 in the SEC the last 2 years before this year. Yet, there were about just as many games that were within 7 points. So you lost 2-3 close games and bitched about miles, and this year you're winning those close games by the same bounces and love Miles again?
If LSU had lost to Tenn for example (if there were 11 men on the field with JJ still fumbling the snap) then what would you guys be saying? FIRE MILES
This is a ? and I'm not sure the answer cause I'm not a guy who studies schedules all the time.
I think you guys were about .500 in the SEC the last 2 years before this year. Yet, there were about just as many games that were within 7 points. So you lost 2-3 close games and bitched about miles, and this year you're winning those close games by the same bounces and love Miles again?
If LSU had lost to Tenn for example (if there were 11 men on the field with JJ still fumbling the snap) then what would you guys be saying? FIRE MILES
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:42 am to Buckeye06
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Compare that to yesterday with LSU, and they struggled to beat a 4 win team. And don't give me the every week in the SEC thing....you guys played McNeese state last week so no excuse to not be rested and focused for the game
ole miss > indiana and it's not even close.
i think s.e.c. has proven their selves against the big X. no flame, when the chips are down, the top teams in the s.e.c has proven to be better than the Big X and it's not close.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:43 am to tigeradam
some of these writers are pretty confident that bama will win next weekend and they the field is blown WIDE open with one loss teams.
I also find it funny that a 2 loss bama team is still the benchmark, even though they have been taken to the wire in a couple games and lost two.
I hope auburn crushes bama. I am getting sick of hearing their dicksucking over it.
I also find it funny that a 2 loss bama team is still the benchmark, even though they have been taken to the wire in a couple games and lost two.
I hope auburn crushes bama. I am getting sick of hearing their dicksucking over it.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:49 am to cphill
Half the LSU fans said the same thing a week or two ago.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:53 am to tirebiter
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Blah, blah, LSU played like shite on D tonight. Chavis could have told Reid every play coming at him tonight and he would have missed every tackle. LSU rarely, if ever, plays a complete game. I don;t know what you are thinking when you watch this team and think it should garner great respect nationally.
In defense of Reid,he is a true freshman playing due to injuries. How good were you your freshman year? Who has Stanford beaten?
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:53 am to Buckeye06
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You guys in this thread are telling me you would put $1000 straight up on the tigers to beat the Badgers or the Cardinal on a neutral field?
i'll take a 1k bet that Au, lsu, bama, arkansas, miss st, south carolina, and florida would do better than 4-3 against ohio st, wisconsin, michigan st, iowa, michigan, penn st, and northwestern.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:06 am to Buckeye06
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Stewart Mandel Rips The Tigers
Ok,
This is a ? and I'm not sure the answer cause I'm not a guy who studies schedules all the time.
I think you guys were about .500 in the SEC the last 2 years before this year. Yet, there were about just as many games that were within 7 points. So you lost 2-3 close games and bitched about miles, and this year you're winning those close games by the same bounces and love Miles again?
If LSU had lost to Tenn for example (if there were 11 men on the field with JJ still fumbling the snap) then what would you guys be saying? FIRE MILES
Who has Tressel beaten? The refs gave him the Miami game with the bogus PI call.He out recruits other Big Ten schools by a wide margin yet under achieves yrly. Pryor doesn't play like QB he was touted to be coming out of hs.Poor development perhaps?
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:15 am to Shaka Zulu
quote:I posted this about Stanford last week....
They have no business sitting ahead of more dominant one-loss teams like Stanford and Wisconsin in the polls.
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Stanford's SOS is #8 and I don't see it. They played 2 ranked teams in Oregon and Arizona and their OOC games were Sacramento State, Wake Forest(2-8), Notre Dame(5-5) and the rest of the Pac-10... USC 7-3
Arizona 7-3
Oregon State 4-5
California 5-5
UCLA 4-5
Washington 3-6
Arizona State 4-6
Washington State 2-9
Basically they have 2 wins over BCS teams with winning records and are 1-1 against ranked teams and that gives them the #8 SOS in college football. I call bullshite.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:18 am to XbengalTiger
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Stanford's SOS is #8 and I don't see it. They played 2 ranked teams in Oregon and Arizona and their OOC games were Sacramento State, Wake Forest(2-8), Notre Dame(5-5) and the rest of the Pac-10... USC 7-3
Arizona 7-3
Oregon State 4-5
California 5-5
UCLA 4-5
Washington 3-6
Arizona State 4-6
Washington State 2-9
Basically they have 2 wins over BCS teams with winning records and are 1-1 against ranked teams and that gives them the #8 SOS in college football. I call bullshite.
Yeah, that's pretty much horseshite right there.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:21 am to cphill
First of all, as one poster already pointed out, Mandel writes that LSU beat Florida and Alabama on the road. He didn't even know that LSU beat Alabama at home -- and the game was a Nationally televised game. He obviously either didn't watch the game (he was probably watching Northwestern's epic tussle with Indiana) or was oblivious to what he was watching. Either way, he just plopped himself down at his typewriter and banged out his same old trap, irregardless of the facts.
Secondly, LSU's defense was off yesterday. But I think that was more about the overall emotion of the game rather than an accurate assessment of the ability of the defense.
Say what you want, but LSU was not really up for the game. Even the announcers spotted it right away. They said something about the crowd wanting to believe that they were up for a big rivalry game, but that the enthusiasm was somehow hollow. And it was. Face it, LSU overmatched Ole Miss, a team that has lost by a gillion to Tenn last week. And they knew it. And LSU also knew that it has to go to Ark next week to play for a spot in a BCS bowl. For LSU, Ole Miss was just a 1X4-sized speed bump on the way to Little Rock.
And where does an under-emotional team feel it the most -- on defense, of course. For a defense that relies on reaction, pursuit, and speed, like LSU's, effort and emotion are the whole difference between being dominant and a step ahead of the offense, and being passive and looking like you are hanging on for dear life -- which is how LSU looked vs Ole Miss. A dead give-away for a flat defense is poor tackling. And LSU missed more tackles in that one game than they have missed in all the other games put together (or at least it seemed that way).
Lastly, I don't think the overall quality of the SEC is down this year. Auburn is better. Ark is better. Miss St is obviously better. Everyone thought that Alabama was going to be the best team in the SEC (and maybe they still are), but they have lost twice this year so the pundits think that shows that the SEC is not that good. But, as everyone who follows the SEC knows, in the SEC, it's all about the home and away schedule. If you have a year where your tougher games are away, you can't run the SEC gauntlet and come out without a loss -- or sometimes two.
Secondly, LSU's defense was off yesterday. But I think that was more about the overall emotion of the game rather than an accurate assessment of the ability of the defense.
Say what you want, but LSU was not really up for the game. Even the announcers spotted it right away. They said something about the crowd wanting to believe that they were up for a big rivalry game, but that the enthusiasm was somehow hollow. And it was. Face it, LSU overmatched Ole Miss, a team that has lost by a gillion to Tenn last week. And they knew it. And LSU also knew that it has to go to Ark next week to play for a spot in a BCS bowl. For LSU, Ole Miss was just a 1X4-sized speed bump on the way to Little Rock.
And where does an under-emotional team feel it the most -- on defense, of course. For a defense that relies on reaction, pursuit, and speed, like LSU's, effort and emotion are the whole difference between being dominant and a step ahead of the offense, and being passive and looking like you are hanging on for dear life -- which is how LSU looked vs Ole Miss. A dead give-away for a flat defense is poor tackling. And LSU missed more tackles in that one game than they have missed in all the other games put together (or at least it seemed that way).
Lastly, I don't think the overall quality of the SEC is down this year. Auburn is better. Ark is better. Miss St is obviously better. Everyone thought that Alabama was going to be the best team in the SEC (and maybe they still are), but they have lost twice this year so the pundits think that shows that the SEC is not that good. But, as everyone who follows the SEC knows, in the SEC, it's all about the home and away schedule. If you have a year where your tougher games are away, you can't run the SEC gauntlet and come out without a loss -- or sometimes two.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:27 am to Bullethead88
I dont have time to read all these posts, but I see where its all going. People happy with a performance where LSU beats a 4 win team by exchanging the lead 5 times in the 4th quarter. We should have won over a team like that by 2 tds at least and cruised. Dont give me the rivalry BS. 10 wins is nice, but Im sick of hearing about the conference. The SEC east is weak and Florida is not a good team. We have a couple quality wins, but as always, everyone thinks the SEC is so far above other conf's.... typical ignorant BS. You have 3 quality teams in the SEC this year, Bama, Auby, and LSU... thats it.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:27 am to Bullethead88
Does Mandel not know that was a rivalry game? A rivalry that goes back quiet a ways and is almost always a close game?
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:27 am to Shaka Zulu
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I think it is shite, but this is the price we are paying for Crowton's lack of offense.
For most of the season I hear you...but is Crowton the reason we gave up all the points yesterday???
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:30 am to ProjectP2294
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Stewart Mandel Rips The Tigers
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Take off the goggles, Stanford and Wisconsin are legitimate.
But are the teams they're playing legit?
Cal and Michigan are as legit as Ole Myth.
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