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Posted on 4/22/13 at 6:11 pm to MetArl15
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If Welter continues to be put in the starting MLB spot, no matter how poorly he does, people will claim they trust Chavis' choice.
to be fair, there are just as many folks who bash players who are playing well as those who take up for players who are playing poorly...
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Yes, Chavis knows more than anyone on this board, but that does not make him any more correct in starting a LB who is less effective than his more talented backup.
that typically means he knows more about all of the factors that go into who plays in which spots vs. a specific players perceived talent level.
<nothing in this post relates to dj welter>
Posted on 4/22/13 at 6:23 pm to ForeLSU
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Welter didn't look bad, but everything was base vanilla on both sides of the ball.
I see what you did there
Posted on 4/22/13 at 6:29 pm to ForeLSU
quote:I agree and it's obvious he is more in tune with the whole fabric of what makes the defense successful. I still think coaches are too cautious to make changes as they over-analyze the whole idea of an integrated defensive approach when often it's as simple as playing the more talented option and letting talent overcome any other deficiency.
that typically means he knows more about all of the factors that go into who plays in which spots vs. a specific players perceived talent level.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:58 pm to MetArl15
I know dude it was a joke. 
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:36 pm to KG5989
Barrow is the starting weak side LB and T Jones is the starting strong side LB.
So, do you want to move all three LBs to new positions or just move Barrow to MLB and Kwon to weakside?
So, do you want to move all three LBs to new positions or just move Barrow to MLB and Kwon to weakside?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:45 pm to 167back
Welter had two...assists!! He will not be the mlb. Barrow, Jones, Kwon. Welter got his shot.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:54 pm to Fishhead
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Welter looked bad, and it was against a walk-on center and 2nd team OL. Desperately have to do something for our middle backer.
Thomas Dunston bad?
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:00 am to wpsnickers
I was through with welter after he got run over by the scrub walk on player in the big cat drill
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:04 am to 167back
I was under the impression that T Jones would be weak side this season considering his size and the emergence of Kwon. And all I said was move Barrow to MLB and h ave Kwon starting at the SLB. Kwon is better suited as a SLB anyways. That's what he played last year and in the few games he played for us it was evident he is just flat out more talented and just better than T Jones. Not too mention he's gained 20 lbs already. Which leaves the WLB open which IMO suits T Jones better. But I've never been impressed with T Jones.
I get that at the moment with Barrow at weak side, T Jones is playing strong. Kwon isn't even a "starter" at the moment. But when the seasons starts and they move Barrow inside, Kwon will go to the strong side. They are the best 2 LBers on the team. Then you have one of the Jones at WLB.
Our most talented unit would be Barrow at the MLB, Kwon at SLB, and Debo at weak side. I think by game 5 we will see more of Debo than T Jones.
I get that at the moment with Barrow at weak side, T Jones is playing strong. Kwon isn't even a "starter" at the moment. But when the seasons starts and they move Barrow inside, Kwon will go to the strong side. They are the best 2 LBers on the team. Then you have one of the Jones at WLB.
Our most talented unit would be Barrow at the MLB, Kwon at SLB, and Debo at weak side. I think by game 5 we will see more of Debo than T Jones.
This post was edited on 4/23/13 at 12:16 am
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:11 am to KG5989
I agree with you KG....the truth is the truth!
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:21 am to Phil2012
Not too mention Lamar Louis and Phillips there too. We are so loaded with young talented LBers its scary. Very rarely is our best unit in D our LBs, but it will be for the next few years.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:34 am to KG5989
And I really like the three LBs they've got pegged for next year. The recruiting has gotten even better at lSU...future is definitely bright for football.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:38 am to Phil2012
Agreed. Kenny Young is a animal and kinda underrated IMO. . Clifton Garrett is awesome. Really hope Garrett commits. Would be a steal out of Illinois. And Alexander has been tearing up the camp circuit so far. If he adds 10 lbs, lookout. And Josh Mabin wants to commit, we just haven't given him an offer. We're almost to the point where we have to turn down really good players 
This post was edited on 4/23/13 at 12:45 am
Posted on 4/23/13 at 4:39 am to MetArl15
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we know how this will go. If Welter continues to be put in the starting MLB spot, no matter how poorly he does, people will claim they trust Chavis' choice.
Met, your side of the issue is also formulaic. What can be more hackneyed than, "The backup is always the most popular player."?
I think Debo, Tahj, Kwon, and Barrow are likely the top four LBs. But in the end, I do trust the coaches to make the best decisions because they know all the facts, like, maybe Debo keeps filling the wrong holes, or maybe Tahj has a sinus headache.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 5:12 am to MetArl15
quote:But it does go a loooooong way in demonstrating that it is far, FAR more likely that his backup is not, in fact, more effective as believed by the "experts" on this board, but rather is in fact not as good as Welter as evidenced by the Chavis' decision (should Chavis continue to start him at MLB ahead of the younger guys).
Yes, Chavis knows more than anyone on this board, but that does not make him any more correct in starting a LB who is less effective than his more talented backup.
It used to be funny when people would argue about why it's wrong to start one player ahead of backups who are "clearly better" and seem utterly incapable of even conceiving of the possibility that their judgment on which player is better might be wrong, and that backup they think looks so much more impressive is in fact -- likely for reasons that completely escape their notice or their observation -- not as good as the guy playing ahead of them. Now it's just old.
You hardly ever see people on this board saying, "well, I think so-and-so has looked better than such-and-such who is starting ahead of him; but there's probably some aspects of the game that I don't understand as well as the coaches, and/or some additional observations that they are able to make in the hours upon hours of practice and film time they have that I don't, that would explain why such-and-such is actually the better choice to be a starter."
No, it's pretty much always something along the lines of, "Just because they are successfully coaching at an elite level doesn't mean they don't make mistakes, which explains why I am correct and they are wrong every time I disagree with them because obviously the most likely explanation is that every single instance just happens to be one of those extremely rare cases where they are in fact making mistakes, rather than any of them being one of the much less rare cases where some amateur ranter on the internet gets something wrong."
Posted on 4/23/13 at 7:03 am to MetArl15
Welter looks like a db trying to play MLB! Did not look good.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:04 am to JTA1985
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Our most talented unit would be Barrow at the MLB, Kwon at SLB, and Debo at weak side.
This. I dont see how anyone that watches/likes LSU football can dispute this. The best three guys will be on the field when the games count, and these are the best three guys.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:16 am to MetArl15
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I still think coaches are too cautious to make changes as they over-analyze the whole idea of an integrated defensive approach when often it's as simple as playing the more talented option and letting talent overcome any other deficiency.
this is bull shite. YOUR opinion of who is more talented means diddly squat. and your comment of the coaches "over analyzing the whole idea of an integrated defensive approach" is probably the dumbest statement i have ever read on here. there is NO WAY you can have any substantive evidence to base this comment on.
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