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Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:51 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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It's amusing to see some who feel Coach O failing badly for 3 yrs at Old Miss is not a big deal, but Herman losing his 1st game is.
Yeah, I can't believe that people could look at what a coach did over a decade ago and then even consider his last two IHC stints at all. I mean everything is based on last decades results.
That is why Tom Herman's short career should only be judged on his first season as head coach. And since his only loss was to UCONN - and they are good at basketball - that game can totally be ignored.
Him finishing in sixth place of his conference does not count at all. It's funny that people bring it up - it's like they don't even realize it happened in his second season. Ha Ha Ha. Those dumbasses.
Yep, Herman is 4-4 in his last 8 games at UH and UT but that doesn't matter since he only gets judged on his first season.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:56 pm to Rouge
I don't really like the University of Texas, so it was great to see Maryland beat them.
But I think some posters on this thread are a bit premature. It is way too early to tell how Herman will do at Texas. Surely he expected to have a much better debut.
But I think some posters on this thread are a bit premature. It is way too early to tell how Herman will do at Texas. Surely he expected to have a much better debut.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:58 pm to Tiger Ree
Herman won a national title as an OC and made Saban's defense look silly. How has Ed O done as a coordinator. What's that, no one has ever hired him as a offensive/defensive coordinator?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:01 pm to Choupique19
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Saban lost to UAB year 1 at LSU.
How did he do his second year?
"2001?—?Saban led LSU to a 10–3 record, including an SEC Championship and a Sugar Bowl victory."
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Saban lost to ULM year 1 at Alabama
How did he do his second year?
"2008 season: During his second year as head coach of the Tide, Saban led his team from a sub-par season in 2007 to a perfect 12–0 regular season record. Saban finished the regular season undefeated for the first time in his career as a head coach"
Herman, who is no Nick Saban, lost to UCONN his first season and then followed it up with losses to Navy, SMU and Memphis in his second year. Yep, just like Nick Saban for SURE !!!
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:05 pm to Rouge
Who is Tom Herman? We got Bebe et al.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:16 pm to Choupique19
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Herman won a national title as an OC
Urban Meyer won a title with Herman as his OC. It wasn't Meyer's only title either. As hard as it is to believe, Urban has won NC's without Herman.
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made Saban's defense look silly
When was this again? Just last season he sure made SMU's defense look silly - 303 total yards in a loss to SMU who was a 23 point dog and won by 22 points. He also gained an amazingly unbelievable 287 yards against Tulane. The only coach to go over 250 against Tulane since the 1950's. He is great offensive mind, no doubt.
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How has Ed O done as a coordinator. What's that, no one has ever hired him as a offensive/defensive coordinator?
Yes it has really hurt his career also. He's on his second head coaching stint in the SEC. Had two very successful IHC jobs. Now he leads the LSU Tigers and won his bowl game last year and his opener this year.
I forget how did Herman do in his bowl game last year and his opener this year?
Did he forget to tell UCONN, Navy, SMU, Memphis and Maryland that he "won a national title as an OC and made Saban's defense look silly"? That must be it, there is no way those teams could make him and his ranked teams look like a high school team if they knew that. NO FREAKIN WAY !!!
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:16 pm to Tiger Ree
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t's like both his best wins and worst losses are completely mind-boggling. Just like his loss to Maryland yesterday. Very erratic coach
It's not mind boggling at all if you understand these differences are marginal not absolutes. He had more talent at UH than some of the teams they lost to but it's still 2nd tier talent. It's early in his career he has potential but still a risk.
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Oh, the #2 ranking the poster referenced is the 24/7 team rankings for the coming signing class - 2018.
I was referring to the classes that are already signed and on campus. We obviously can't tell if this class, that won't sign until Feb is overrated or not. That we won't know for 2-3 years.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:17 pm to TheDeathValley
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In fairness he inherited a dumpster fire at Texas. A true rebuild.
The inherent culture at Texas is the issue. The whole attitude in the football program is like a country club. For a HC to be successful there, he will have to take on the establishment, with little chance of winning. The only coach that could have made it is Nick Saban (I am sorry to say.). He doesn't put up with any BS from the administration, supporters or the media.
Texas is eating up good coaches and will for the foreseeable future!
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:25 pm to Tiger Ree
Are you really trying to compare an actual head coaching gig to intern coaching??
It's interesting some refuse to give Miles credit for early success cause he did it with Nicks players but you on the other hand are happy to give Coach O credit for his success as a caretaker and forget his failure when he was the man.
My but how those goal post keep on moving.
It's interesting some refuse to give Miles credit for early success cause he did it with Nicks players but you on the other hand are happy to give Coach O credit for his success as a caretaker and forget his failure when he was the man.
My but how those goal post keep on moving.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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It's not mind boggling at all if you understand these differences are marginal not absolutes
Ha Ha, whatever you say man. When I saw on the ESPN recap show that Houston lost to SMU - a team UH was favored to beat by 23 points by a score of 38-16 - I was like "NO FREAKIN WAY, UNBELIEVABLE. Felt like an absolute to me at the time and the score is still the same on ESPN.
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He had more talent at UH than some of the teams they lost to but it's still 2nd tier talent.
??? Two high school teams in the same county or parish may have what is considered 2nd tier talent compared to the rest of the state. If one team has an unarguable advantage in talent and loses to the other team that is a huge underdog, something is wrong. And it's not the 2nd tier talent that both teams have.
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It's early in his career he has potential but still a risk.
Agree totally. Just can't help but laugh that Texas is paying over $5 million a year.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:34 pm to LSUcam7
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Hermans first outing: embarrassing Felipe Franks debut: embarrassing
And the tigers kicked some arse, Funny how things workout...
Geaux Tigers!!!
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:37 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Are you really trying to compare an actual head coaching gig to intern coaching??
Nope, I'm primarily in this thread laughing at Tom Herman and the University of Texas. Expressing my joy that he is not at LSU.
But it you want to explain how much different it is to be a HC as compared to an IHC and what one does that the other doesn't, I'll listen.
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It's interesting some refuse to give Miles credit for early success cause he did it with Nicks players but you on the other hand are happy to give Coach O credit for his success as a caretaker and forget his failure when he was the man.
Rich-Momma is that you? Has to be.
This thread is about "Sportscenter "Maybe Tom Herman should have taken that job in Baton Rouge"" in case you missed that. Like you have in every other thread you have jumped into stating the same tired shite over and over.
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My but how those goal post keep on moving.
What goalposts? WTF are you talking about? Was your post supposed to be in another thread?
What Herman did last year and this year cannot be changed. Nothing to be moved.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:39 pm to magildachunks
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He got out coached and his players were soft.
I watched the end of that game and couldn't believe what I saw.
Down by 10 with about 3 minutes left (going by memory.) Maryland had it 3rd and 1 on about the Texas 20. Texas calls timeout. I'm thinking. Ok, this is their last chance.
Defense comes out and lines up in a 4 man front. Linebackers and cornerbacks are playing several yards back. No safeties at the line. They just laid down and gave up the first down. If there was ever a time to sell out and stop a run that was it. I have to think that all good coaches would have stacked the box, played man to man on the outside, and dared Maryland to throw it in that situation.
I don't know if that's a reflection on Herman or what he inherited, but that was downright embarrassing to watch.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:53 pm to moneyg
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Defense comes out and lines up in a 4 man front. Linebackers and cornerbacks are playing several yards back. No safeties at the line. They just laid down and gave up the first down. If there was ever a time to sell out and stop a run that was it. I have to think that all good coaches would have stacked the box, played man to man on the outside, and dared Maryland to throw it in that situation.
I don't know if that's a reflection on Herman or what he inherited, but that was downright embarrassing to watch.
There was so much bad in that game. There was a Texas fan on "Shaggy Texas - in Fire Tom Herman" thread who posted a graphic of when Texas went for it on 4th down and goal from about the 5 yard line. The pass was incomplete but 3 defenders tackled the intended WR at the 4 yard line anyway. Not one receiver was even in the endzone. It was a horrible play call.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:54 pm to Tiger Ree
" laughing at Tom Herman"
Why would anyone laugh at him? He's a successful football coach, now at university of Texas, and he's making millions of dollars. What's the laughable about that?
" stating the same tired shite "
That's pretty hilarious coming from you.
Why would anyone laugh at him? He's a successful football coach, now at university of Texas, and he's making millions of dollars. What's the laughable about that?
" stating the same tired shite "
That's pretty hilarious coming from you.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 6:04 pm to namvet6566
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Mo Jeaux
If I were a betting man I would bet you "O" will be more successful
Cool. You could be right, but based on due diligence, the odds are with me.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 6:06 pm to Tiger Ree
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Houston lost to SMU - a team UH was favored to beat by 23 points by a score of 38-16 - I was like "NO FREAKIN WAY, UNBELIEVABLE. Felt like an absolute to me
Well I don't what to tell you if you judge a coach on 1 game. Pete Carroll lost at home as a much bigger favorite with the #1 team in the country. He had already won 2 NC and would go on win a SB. And clearly don't get what absolutes means.
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Two high school teams in the same county or parish may have what is considered 2nd tier talent compared to the rest of the state. If one team has an unarguable advantage in talent and loses to the other team that is a huge underdog, something is wrong. And it's not the 2nd tier talent that both teams have.
What's wrong is you analysis. Upsets happen all the time. Every coach has lost to a lesser talented team a some point. The only mind boggling thing is the importance you put on 1 or 2 games.
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Agree totally. Just can't help but laugh that Texas is paying over $5 million a year.
That's fine, it might not work, he's very green
Posted on 9/3/17 at 6:15 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Why would anyone laugh at him?
I laugh at him because he lost to a team - SMU last season that he was favored to beat by 23 points - 38-16. You may not, but I find that hilarious.
I laugh at the fact that he lost to an 18.5 point underdog yesterday. 51-41 and UT had 3 TD's on returns. You may not, but I find that hilarious.
I also find it hilarious on the "Shaggy Texas" message board. They even have a "fire tom herman" thread that really has good analysis of a horrible game and the calls that were made.
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He's a successful football coach
Remains to be seen. He had a great first year. His second season not so much. Five teams finished ahead of him even though they had less talent. That shite is funny.
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now at university of Texas
Thank GOD !!! And now you're on subject.
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" stating the same tired shite "
That's pretty hilarious coming from you.
I never had the loss to an 18.5 dog in Maryland. It may look familiar to you but nope, this is another game that is now added to the other horrible losses he has suffered recently.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 6:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Well I don't what to tell you if you judge a coach on 1 game
I only mentioned the horrible SMU game. There are also others to judge him on.
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Pete Carroll lost at home as a much bigger favorite with the #1 team in the country.
Okay, which is it? Is Tom Herman the 2nd coming of Nick Saban, Urban Meyer or Pete Carroll? To name a few in this thread.
Maybe he's the next Vince Lombardi, Bear Bryant or Bill Belichick?
Maybe he gets fired by UT in 3 years and Coach Eaux hires him as his offensive coordinator?
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Every coach has lost to a lesser talented team a some point.
3 of them in a span of 7 games during one season? Hmmm, okay. Is that a good thing?
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The only mind boggling thing is the importance you put on 1 or 2 games.
You forgot the other 3 losses that are also mind boggling. One happened yesterday.
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