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re: Sportscenter "Maybe Tom Herman should have taken that job in Baton Rouge"
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:06 am to Tiger Ree
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:06 am to Tiger Ree
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Really? Wow !!!
Yes my mistake is I forget I'm dealing with simpletons that need everything explained in great detail, so allow me to expand.
Losing a couple of conference games, 1 really, that he shouldn't have is not a reason to disqualify a coach. His overall AAC record was 14-3 with a conference title, 2 of those loses were to division rivals with similar records. His bad loss was to a team that went 5-7. His resume also includes a top 10 finish, 3 wins over P5 teams including 2 NC winning coaches and the eventual Heisman winner last year. Oh and he won the Broyles award, that's more impressive than being the only offensive finalist last season.
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I think they play San Jose State this week so you better hope so.
I'm not a Texas fan so I don't care. I thought they'd be about the 7-5 this year, 8-4 on the upside 9-3 if everything went perfectly. 7-5 still very likely perhaps 6-6. We can't really evaluate him (or O) for a couple of years
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Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:06 am to Mo Jeaux
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No one is saying that he is. Another straw man argument.
Read the thread dipshit. Posters are comparing Herman to Saban or they wouldn't be mentioning Nick. There would be no reason what-so-ever to do so.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:10 am to Tiger Ree
Nice retort. You don't comprehend the context of the argument.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:15 am to magildachunks
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Speaking of: can somebody name an interim coach who had more success during that stint than O? What interim had that much success?
I venture to say no one else has taken over as IHC twice period and even less likely to have takeover twice with more than 1 maybe 2 games left. I can only think of 3 with similar amount of games into a season: Fulmer at Tennessee, Swinney at Clemson and Helton at USC. There are other examples of guys taking over before a season: Smith at Arky after Petrino, Fickle at tOSU after sweater vest and now Luke at OM
ETA: Shula at Bama is another that took over for a coach in the offseason that was fired for reasons other than wins and losses.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:21 am to Tiger Ree
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Posters are comparing Herman to Saban or they wouldn't be mentioning Nick. There would be no reason what-so-ever to do so.
No they are not, they are using his loss to UAB and ULM or I used Carroll losing to Stanford as EXAMPLES not comparisons. Examples of coaches having bad losses. There's a difference.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:41 am to H-Town Tiger
It occurs to me we are talking about Herman like he's already failed ??. He's in his 3rd year as a HC, his first at a major program. His overall record is 22-5. Coach O's overall record from OM, USC and LSU is now 23-29. Herman would have to go 1-24 in his next 25 games to TIE Orgeron thru 52 games 
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 11:42 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:46 am to H-Town Tiger
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No one is implying or suggesting Herman is like Saban, that's you reading into it
When I say "Herman had a great first season but did lose to UCONN."
And another poster says "Nick Saban lost to ULM in his first season."
To me that is comparing Tom Herman to Nick Saban. "Nick did it and look how that turned out, Herman can do it to".
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All he is doing is pointing out that ALL coaches have bad losses, even the GOAT.
All I am doing is pointing out how great Nick's second seasons were and how much worse Tom's second season was. Nick and Tom are nothing alike.
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Every thing here is cherry picked. Yes Saban did better in year 2 at LSU, how about Year 3. That was worse than year 1. In year 4 he lost to an unranked team at home, like Herman lost to UConn in year 1
See, now you are doing exactly what you said wasn't being done. You are comparing Tom Herman to Nick Saban.
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Yes Saban did better in year 2 at LSU, how about Year 3
Herman has never been a head coach for year 3 at a program. Except for his horrible loss to an unranked and undermanned Maryland two days ago.
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Also the 6th place thing you love to bring up made up by you. The conferences don't rank teams that way.
Look at the ESPN standings. There were five teams with better records and/or beat Herman's team. He finished fourth in his division and their are two teams in the other division with 7-1 conference records compared to Herman's 5-3 conference record.
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He was 9-3. That's a pretty good season
Even when in every loss his team was ranked and had more talent than the other team while the other team was unranked and had less talent? That's good?
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Memphis was when he was obviously focused on other jobs
And you could tell that for sure because of the Navy and SMU losses? Making excuses for another team's coach when you really don't have a clue is pretty strange.
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sorta like Saban losing to Iowa at LSU in his last game.
Here you go again. Tom Herman is no Nick Saban man, drop it.
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Herman is in his third year as as HC, so that's all we have to go on. We don't know how his career will pan out.
No, but we sure know who his biggest and bestest fans are. You should go around to the Longhorn boards and comfort their fans with your crap. You may get a few death-threats but I don't think they will actually follow through with them.
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Making literal comparisons like comparing his 2nd year to Saban's is just more cherry picking
Okay, I got it. You and other can compare their one bad loss in the first season and say the coaches could by on the same trajectory. But, I can't then compare what happened to the same teams in their second seasons to show that your comparison of the first season losses have no merit and are total bullshite. Okay, I'm sorry.
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which is simply you can't judge a coach on a handful of games
The hell I can't. I have done it in the past and will continue to do so.
*** I will point out that when I use the 4-4 record for Herman it is because I am using the same time frame that Coach Eaux has been at LSU as IHC and HC. In the same time since Coach Eaux took over he is 7-2 and Herman is 4-4.
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Using examples of losses to conference teams because of their names shows how little you understand about football.
You know, you say some really smart things sometimes, maybe even the majority of times, but then you say ridiculously stupid shite like this. The names of the teams they lost to are what they are. I can abbreviate them or use only their mascot if it will make it easier for you to hear. Wow !!!
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:48 am to H-Town Tiger
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It occurs to me we are talking about Herman like he's already failed ??. He's in his 3rd year as a HC, his first at a major program. His overall record is 22-5. Coach O's overall record from OM, USC and LSU is now 23-29. Herman would have to go 1-24 in his next 25 games to TIE Orgeron thru 52 games
Boom.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:49 am to Mo Jeaux
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I'd be careful casting aspersions of stupidity on people. It's obvious that you don't comprehend the context of my question.
Oh but I do. I do.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:49 am to Tiger Ree
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When I say "Herman had a great first season but did lose to UCONN."
And another poster says "Nick Saban lost to ULM in his first season."
To me that is comparing Tom Herman to Nick Saban. "Nick did it and look how that turned out, Herman can do it to".
You should have taken a logic course in college.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:50 am to Mo Jeaux
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So, in his interim stints he had an aggregate number of losses equal to those in Herman's supposedly horrible season that negates his coaching ability.
I would say Herman taking an undefeated and #6 nationally ranked team to unranked and a sixth place in his conference is what negates his coaching ability for me.
Has nothing to do with Coach Eaux's amazing turnarounds of not one but two P5 programs on the ropes that were both unranked when he took over before he led them to national rankings.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:54 am to H-Town Tiger
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It occurs to me we are talking about Herman like he's already failed ??. He's in his 3rd year as a HC, his first at a major program. His overall record is 22-5. Coach O's overall record from OM, USC and LSU is now 23-29. Herman would have to go 1-24 in his next 25 games to TIE Orgeron thru 52 games
You sure do LOVE you some Tom Herman.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:55 am to Passing Wind
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Oh but I do. I do.
Then act like it. Answer the question.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:08 pm to Mo Jeaux
Found you Mo Jeaux talking bad about coach O again, wow imagine that! If you hate LSU say you hate LSU . Go read his comment am in any Fisher or Evil Empire coach chats. Damm just Damm!
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:09 pm to EXPLAYER
I don't hate LSU. 
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:09 pm to DBU
Tons of talent? Really? Ok ESPN. Strong was a dumpster fire for tx
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:14 pm to The Blue Stuff
Mom always told me live in the present. Coach O def has a lot more talent to work with now. Do you think Saban would had done any better with that crap talent at Ole Miiss in his early stage of coaching? Also think about situation he was thrown into.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:31 pm to Tiger Ree
How anyone could take ANYTHING I said as my equating TH to NS is bout as silly as it gets, but it seems you don't care how much creditability you throw away in your off the wall posting.
Cherry picking stats doesn't make you right. It just makes you agenda driven rather than objective.
Cherry picking stats doesn't make you right. It just makes you agenda driven rather than objective.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:33 pm to EXPLAYER
Very long thread. I didn't read all of it. Of course we don't know how Herman will fare at Texas and O at LSU based off of 1 game. But by comparison to their start it is simply expressed as this:
Texas was a 19 point favorite and lost by 10. That's a net result of -19.
LSU was a 14.5 point favorite and won by 27. That's a net result of +12.5.
Any questions?
Texas was a 19 point favorite and lost by 10. That's a net result of -19.
LSU was a 14.5 point favorite and won by 27. That's a net result of +12.5.
Any questions?
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:47 pm to TheDeathValley
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In fairness he inherited a dumpster fire at Texas
Isn't the dumpster fire the Admins and the Alums?
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