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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:18 am to tandrews37
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:18 am to tandrews37
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2017 was mostly students recruited by Miles that O managed to hold together. yes theres a few guys in there O got like Phillips and Stevens, but 60-70% of that class was built by Miles.
2018 was terrible.
2019 just arrived on campus but looks promising
The difference is you continually try to put lipstick on a pig and I don't. The 2018 class is not good. There are a couple of potential high performers, a few that many become contributors, and several busts. Why can't you admit the same about Miles 2014, 2015, and 2016 offensive classes? There's an SB Nation story linked in this thread about how bad the lineman classes turned out.
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:19 am to TigerLunatik
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It seriously does take a special skill to do that at this level.
yes it certainly does take considerable skill to fall asleep at the wheel (miss st, syracuse, troy), only to wake up and veer out of the way of an incoming 18 wheeler (17-16 UF, Auburn comeback) and cruise to a decent season (9 wins in your first year as head coach). Then you fire your OC after 1 year, lose your bowl game, sign a terrible class, and exit the spring game wondering who is going to be your starting QB since you whiffed there in recruiting and you're not inspired by what you have.
By virtue of good timing and a little luck, the newly acquired safeties coach recommended by the defensive coordinator delivers a godsend in the form of a 4* QB from Ohio who was never going to see the field in Columbus and left tOSU.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:20 am to TigerLunatik
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I guess I'm looking at the idea that Orgeron had him build that offense from scratch to fit what he wanted vs going out and hiring someone that had an established offense that they've been evolving.
I understand that and don't think that's a bone of contention here.
I think most of us want an offense that's more dynamic.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:21 am to The First Cut
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Why can't you admit the same about Miles 2014, 2015, and 2016 offensive classes?
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SB Nation story linked in this thread about how bad the lineman classes turned out.
Because your entire premise ignores the fact that for the first 7-8 years here, Les did pretty damn alright and had built up some benefit of the doubt.
Orgeron seems to be given the benefit of the doubt from the jump.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:22 am to TigerLunatik
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And I do believe that he deserves credit for turning it around even though he's ultimately responsible for putting the team in that position. It seriously does take a special skill to do that at this level.
If LSU doesn't get Burrow I don't think Orgeron is still here. I think 2018 would have been an implosion with all of the inexperience on offense and a rail-thin QB. I doubt Brennan would have made it through the season (as it was he was injured for most of it anyway) and 6-6 would've been a real possibility.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:23 am to tandrews37
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yes it certainly does take considerable skill to fall asleep at the wheel (miss st, syracuse, troy), only to wake up and veer out of the way of an incoming 18 wheeler (17-16 UF, Auburn comeback) and cruise to a decent season (9 wins in your first year as head coach).
Whether you want to admit it or not, holding a team of players together like LSU that is used to winning together after a loss like that is damn impressive regardless whose fault it is that the loss happened.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:23 am to The First Cut
If O can string together several good QBs he will be here for a very long time. That is indisputable.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:24 am to tandrews37
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Orgeron seems to be given the benefit of the doubt from the jump.
We are definitely reading different message board s here.
You do realize Orgeron started 2018 on the hot seat?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:25 am to tandrews37
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Because your entire premise ignores the fact that for the first 7-8 years here, Les did pretty damn alright and had built up some benefit of the doubt.
I've said nothing of the sort, in fact I've stated how much I was behind Miles his whole time here. However, it's again putting lipstick on a pig to ignore the fact in Miles last few seasons LSU was getting blown out by teams like Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Auburn. 
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:25 am to The First Cut
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If LSU doesn't get Burrow I don't think Orgeron is still here. I think 2018 would have been an implosion with all of the inexperience on offense and a rail-thin QB. I doubt Brennan would have made it through the season (as it was he was injured for most of it anyway) and 6-6 would've been a real possibility.
The only part of this I disagree with is him being fired. There are simply far too many mouthpieces working around town to have allowed him to be gone in year 2 at 6-6. The spin would have made us all sick to our stomach. It is, after all, my #1 fear about him being here.
But yes...Burrow was key.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
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However, we CAN be average for what the program can attain...and that's a slow death.
the irony is for all of the things alleva did wrong, he saved LSU with Orgeron's new contract. Think of it as Alleva's swan song.
Orgeron's restructured buyout assures that failure to win anything meaningful the next 2 years will cost him his job.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:26 am to The First Cut
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by teams like Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Auburn.
Ole Miss was pretty good Miles’ last few seasons. Auburn wasn’t terrible either.
He was losing games
He shouldn’t have but you’re acting like Ole Miss and Auburn were bums.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:28 am to GeauxTigerTM
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The only part of this I disagree with is him being fired. There are simply far too many mouthpieces working around town to have allowed him to be gone in year 2 at 6-6. The spin would have made us all sick to our stomach. It is, after all, my #1 fear about him being here.
You may be right that he wouldn't be gone by now, but I think recruiting would be devastated and it would be only a 1-year stay of execution. One thing that most can agree with here is that the 2018 class was well below average for LSU. It was because the 2017 season, hot seat talk, and OC debacle. Follow that up with 6-6 (or so) and the tailspin is on.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:29 am to SammyTiger
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Ole Miss was pretty good Miles’ last few seasons. Auburn wasn’t terrible either.
Losing by three TDs to Ole Miss and 41-7 to Auburn are inexcusable with the rosters LSU had in those years.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:29 am to SammyTiger
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Ole Miss was pretty good Miles’ last few seasons. Auburn wasn’t terrible either.
He was losing games
He shouldn’t have but you’re acting like Ole Miss and Auburn were bums.
he said LSU lost a ton of offensive linemen from the 2016 class when I showed him they lost one. He likes to lube the truth a little bit.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:30 am to SammyTiger
quote:They both beat Bama so they've competed much better against stronger competition that LSU has in that time-frame.
Ole Miss was pretty good Miles’ last few seasons. Auburn wasn’t terrible either.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:30 am to tandrews37
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he said LSU lost a ton of offensive linemen from the 2016 class when I showed him they lost one. He likes to lube the truth a little bit.
I've already conceded my error, it was a three-year problem, not a one off.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:31 am to The First Cut
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Losing by three TDs to Ole Miss and 41-7 to Auburn are inexcusable with the rosters LSU had in those years.
but losing to Florida last year was okay. losing to A&M was okay. getting blasted by 30 at Miss St in 2017 was okay.
and around and around we go. the same points being brought up in this thread. if nothing else, I'm glad its been contained to one thread.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You do realize Orgeron started 2018 on the hot seat?
I always thought that was ridiculous and it was actually arguing that point in a thread against what seemed like 20 people. I just don't get how a coach can win 9 games in year 1 and be on the hot seat.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:32 am to tandrews37
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but losing to Florida last year was okay. losing to A&M was okay
We were competitive in those two.
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