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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:59 am to tandrews37
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:59 am to tandrews37
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Donavaughn Campbell - backup OL; started a couple of games last season, overall has not lived up to 4* billing
Zero starts in his LSU career.
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JUNIOR SEASON (2018) Saw action in three games … Had best outing of career against Ole Miss, seeing action on 63 offensive snaps in the LSU victory … Also played against Mississippi State and Rice.
SOPHOMORE SEASON (2017) Played in one game and served as backup at left guard … Redshirted the 2017 campaign.
FRESHMAN SEASON (2016) Played in four games, all in a backup role as a true freshman ... Saw action against Jacksonville State (nine plays), Missouri (seven plays), Southern Miss (one play) and Arkansas (five plays) ... Recorded
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:01 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Now I ask you...why?
Lost three SEC games in a row by 14 points or more
You don't think that was an issue?
In his defense, he pulled out two wins to cool off the hotseat.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:01 am to Damone
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How does that compare to the offensive players in O’s 2018 class?
As bad as 2018 is, at least you have Chase, Marshall, Lewis, and Hines. 
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:02 am to The First Cut
Per LSU’s own stats page, Campbell started the Ole Miss game in 2018.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:04 am to tandrews37
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I think it's no secret where I stand on the hire, but even I will concede that O is clearly not the same coach as he was at Ole Miss. that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just simply means he hasn't careened LSU off the cliff.
I'm as hard on Orgeron as anyone here, and even I never thought we'd totally collapse under him. Hell, I would not even take that bait after the Troy loss in his first full year. LSU in 2017 WAS NOT Ole Miss under Orgeron. We have too many resources, too much talent, etc. We are NEVER going to be sub .500 at LSU at this point unless we get some substantial NCAA sanctions for something crazy. We're too invested now to allow the program to slide that far.
However, we CAN be average for what the program can attain...and that's a slow death. It's what many feared was happening/going to happen under Miles at the end. My fear has always been that Orgeron would start to trend downward, but because of his local ties and the politics involved, making a change fast enough to stave off a longer valley would be difficult. I still believe that, though with the hiring of Woodward I'm slightly less concerned than I once was.
But very few of us that have been critical of him thought we'd tank under him to the point we'd all agree it was a disaster.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:05 am to Damone
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Per LSU’s own stats page, Campbell started the Ole Miss game in 2018
I just posted his bio from LSUsports.net. If you have something else, post it. Even if you're right, it's inarguable that he's not a regular starter and that class (ranked #2 in the nation) produced only 1.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:05 am to The First Cut
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:06 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm as hard on Orgeron as anyone here, and even I never thought we'd totally collapse under him.
I defend Orgeron more than many here, but LSU was on the verge of collapse following the 2017 season.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:07 am to tandrews37
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please refer to pages 25-27.
OK, he's got one. This is how you defend Miles' 2016 offensive recruiting class?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
I am all for talking about this upcoming season! I think me and you have both agreed 10 wins is the threshold. I personally feel that Texas has a lot to replace and LSU is favored to win. Alabama will be tough as always but I believe due to a power vacuum in the PAC and the Big 10 that LSU can get in as #4.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:09 am to The First Cut
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So with 8 offensive signees, 1 became a regular starter. 1/8 .125 average
are you not even going to address that you said that the 2016 class resulted in "a ton of OL departures" when in reality, Willie Allen left, in 2017 under O?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No one is making comparisons between the two people.
You still can't grasp the point because of your overwhelming bias
For the record, Rog I got your poiny earlier. You made a good point and I probably made mine poorly. I was mainly talking about the way a person does things and in particular what Orgeron has done with his offenses at both Ole Miss and LSU.
Honestly, I think that if he just let's Ensminger and Brady do their thing that we could be looking at a playoff team. The fact of the matter is that he hasn't been able to do that yet. My hope is that this will be the next evolution as a head coach. I agree with the previous poster that just said that O is clearly a different coach now than he was then.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:10 am to tandrews37
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are you not even going to address that you said that the 2016 class resulted in "a ton of OL departures" when in reality, Willie Allen left, in 2017 under O?
You're right, it was the 2014, 2015, and 2016 classes that collectively had a ton of transfers to junior college and FCS schools. It was a three-year problem - not a one off.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 11:12 am
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:12 am to The First Cut
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I defend Orgeron more than many here, but LSU was on the verge of collapse following the 2017 season
And I do believe that he deserves credit for turning it around even though he's ultimately responsible for putting the team in that position. It seriously does take a special skill to do that at this level.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:12 am to The First Cut
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This is how you defend Miles' 2016 offensive recruiting class?
you can call it defending it. I have never touted it to be a success. I have merely tried to show you that it wasn't the massive failure you make it out to be. LSU essentially had 8 offensive players as a result of that recruiting class. 4 of them are going to play this year. 6/8 are in the 2 deep. I'd say that is doing alright.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:15 am to The First Cut
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You're right, it was the 2014, 2015, and 2016 classes that collectively had a ton of transfers to junior college and FCS schools. It was a three-year problem - not a one off.
and how is that going for O so far?
2017 was mostly students recruited by Miles that O managed to hold together. yes theres a few guys in there O got like Phillips and Stevens, but 60-70% of that class was built by Miles.
2018 was terrible.
2019 just arrived on campus but looks promising.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:15 am to TigerLunatik
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The fact of the matter is that he hasn't been able to do that yet.
Im not convinced of that. While I certainly believe he's involved in the offensive philosophy I think it was Ensminger much of the season.
The primary issue with second half offense was a lack of a strong running game imo. I think it can be fixed.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:15 am to tandrews37
At this point, all of these guys are Orgeron guys same as all the 07 guys were Miles guys. Regardless of who recruited these players, at this point they've been developed by Orgeron and his staff. IMO that's all that really matters now.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Lost three SEC games in a row by 14 points or more
You don't think that was an issue?
Of course. 2014 and the collapse at the end of 2015 were enough to allow the move to get made.
But what if instead of being upset for a large portion of 2010-2013 most LSU fans were ecstatic about having gone 44-9 during that stretch? 2014 would have seemed like the anomaly it was in his career here and 2015 would have seemed like a bounce back, even with the tailspin at the end. 2015 WAS moving in the right direction again.
But...he was nearly fired after the Arky game win or lose.
I'm arguing that only happens because many were unhappy LONG before 2014. We all know that's true...right? We're not now going to start revising that time frame to make it seem like LSU fans were running around talking about how great things were then, right? And if that's true, then it means what we as LSU fans are really asking for is a coach to be better than 2010-2013.
Ultimately, that's the only thing I'm asking for...that if you were an upset fan during that time frame and were telling folks that winning 10 games a year wasn't that big a deal, that only hardware mattered, that losing to Alabama every year was not acceptable at LSU, etc then I'd expect you to, merely for consistency's sake, hold this staff to those same lofty expectations. Anything less is where the talk about there being a double standard comes into play.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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While I certainly believe he's involved in the offensive philosophy I think it was Ensminger much of the season.
I guess I'm looking at the idea that Orgeron had him build that offense from scratch to fit what he wanted vs going out and hiring someone that had an established offense that they've been evolving.
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