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re: Specifics of McMahon hate

Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:00 pm to
Posted by CalLSU
Shreveport, la
Member since Feb 2009
906 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:00 pm to
I think this is the best response. This is his 3rd year. In basketball, that is a much larger example than football as you go through kids much quicker and can make huge leaps with only 1-2 great players. His win/loss record is aweful by any standards. We haven’t finished better than 8th in the conference and are close to finishing dead last for 2 out of his 3 years as coach. I understand we aren’t a power house program but this is unacceptable for any of the teams in our conference. It really doesn’t matter about the “why” as the record is speaking louder than any specific example ever could.
Posted by robertgamb
Member since Jan 2015
847 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:00 pm to
The specifics,Mcloser sucks as a coach and I'm tired of the excuses as to why they keep this guy around! I mean come the frick on its his fricking 3rd year and they just keep getting worse and finding new ways to lose,he just can't handle coaching at this level. Someone from the Amidistration office AKA Scooty Woody needs to fricking do the right thing,fire his losing arse and get a coach that wins NOW!
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
78129 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:04 pm to
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Where is he lacking?



and there's nothing inspiring about him. He gives no reason to be interested in his program.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
161537 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:09 pm to
He’s just a dud in every aspect

I don’t “hate” him, just think he sucks…so I ask his defenders, what is his strength ? What has he done well here?
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81676 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:12 pm to
Thats his biggest fault to me. Its been 3 years, and he hasnt had one side of the ball where we have been good. Seems hard to accomplish
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
12317 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:32 pm to
Talent too. One thing they are coached and show….. effort. Need talent with that effort.
Posted by dalmond
Houston
Member since Aug 2008
232 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:36 pm to
He lacks the guts to tell the administration to shove it up their arse
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48648 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:14 am to
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There’s no McMahon hate,


You are so full of shite. People were screaming bloody murder the day he was hired. He could be could be a combination of Rupp. Knight and Coach K and they would still hate him, because he isn’t Wade. The hate has nothing to do with his lack of success, that just gives them more fuel. The mind boggling thing is it is the actions of Wade and him alone that caused everything. These ppl claim to love LSU and LSU basketball but they blame LSU and not the person that actually did it. It’s like democrats who blame Doge and Elon Musk for uncovering the fraud and abuse in government rather than the ppl who are stealing and miss using their tax dollars. It makes no sense what so ever.
Posted by Coastrashtiger
Member since Nov 2021
299 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:25 am to
You have been a poster for a long time and a real basketball fan, but can you pinpoint the 4 or 5 people specifically that actually had a hand in Wade getting the axe for one of his more lesser infractions. What I mean by is where the pressure actually came from for the NCAA to investigate? I blame CWW for being sloppier than hell, but to then say with NIL today, he quite literally didn’t do anything against the current rules.

Wade’s first year they go 8-10 and an NIT and if you look at that roster that was a heck a of a job, even though the SEC wasn’t nearly what it is now even in basketball. CMM’s first year they go 2-16. I like both coaches a lot, and I still support the Tigers, but what . I don’t think CMM will have long term success here but he is a very good coach, but much more suited for an A-10 or Big East job down the road. But in 3 years, the program has gotten worse and worse every year. Not the teams the program is slipping in a lot of areas.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 6:26 am
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48648 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:43 am to
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I blame CWW for being sloppier than hell


That is just it. They blame everyone under the sun except Wade. Wade did good things here. He made things exciting. He was also fricking stupid and was his own bag man.
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with NIL today, he quite literally didn’t do anything against the current rules.


Actually he did. This is a tired argument that so many get wrong. A player making money from name image and likeness is completely legal. Coaches paying players directly is still 100% a NCAA violation
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:54 am to
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Yes, I hear you…but specifically how?

“Can’t teach fundamentals..” What are they? Which ones?
“Can’t score.” Which ways could he be improving that?
Etc…

What is he doing wrong and why haven’t any of you talked about it with him at this point?


You don't need a PhD in basketball to know something is wrong with the program at this point.
Posted by Coastrashtiger
Member since Nov 2021
299 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:26 am to
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A player making money from name image and likeness is completely legal. Coaches paying players directly is still 100% a NCAA violation


So Dji Bailey, from what I see does not have any of the 4 or 5 main LSU endorsement or player deals. I know for a fact, and it’s another story for another day, about what it cost to get him to LSU. That money, while it didn’t come from McMahon, it was his budget to buy a player, same as Wade. Like I said completely inexcusable for CWW or any other coach to ever do that lol. But coaches are given a budget and for all intents and purposes are negotiating through third parties before, during, and after the recruitment process. The only difference is a lot of the bag men money, and dark money, was able to be more legit. Talking to an assistant coach near where I went to school up in Virginia, he said there is actually a greater need now more than ever for bag men to keep players happy.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
10972 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:34 am to
Did OP die?

He pulls the Jack Nicholson “but I want to know who you are, Dave” from Anger Management, then disappears from the Earth
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
4124 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:38 am to
I've posted on here before that I heard Bailey was given $400k to come to LSU from UR.

I was told this by someone that I'm pretty sure was a UR booster I met at a scrimmage. Was he close on that, or full of prune juice?
Posted by Coastrashtiger
Member since Nov 2021
299 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:39 am to
He did sum up quite succinctly and lead with.

quote:

I don’t know shite about basketball.


I think when people hear, LSU is hoping to double maybe even more their NIL “budget”. A lot of baseball, football, and even supporters of the university want to know is this money being taken from somewhere else to invest in a coach that would be gone in a year.
Posted by Coastrashtiger
Member since Nov 2021
299 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:00 am to
Spot on $450k all in. There was $50k brought in as so to speak a yearly salary. $400 for this one year, as he is out of eligibility. But I like DJI, think he is a solid player for another Mid Major as a starter. But to speak plainly, why I have a problem with CMM in terms of the transfer portal. Bailey is $450k. And in a sense, because yes, he is a 5 year guy, probably one of our top two perimeter defenders. Definitely our best on ball perimeter defenders, and a good teammate. He is playing the second most minutes on the team. Of the guards that play he has the second worst 3 pt % on the team, and of all players that are in the rotation besides Chest has the second worst FT%. While it is okay to trade, offense for defense, especially when you have Carter and Sears. So even if CMM is given a budget of $4 million. I am not too confident in that area that he would be able to spend the money, and build the team. LSU is zagging in the transfer portal, while the entire rest of the SEC is zigging. What somebody like Mascona, or even the rest of the echo chamber that put the support behind CMM another year, is that there are glaring holes that will have to be filled in the transfer portal to even get the team to say 8-8 in conference play based off of what CMM does in recruiting which I actually agree with by the way his HS recruiting especially the 24’ class when you add Chest is a Top-10 class. Was expecting him to be around the 30-40 range most years.


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Most of that to say, there are two players that are planning towards leaving to secure a bigger bag, and a different style. Players can see writing on the wall as well. Hoping our best player in Reed comes back but he would get an absolute haul from Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, or a California school. Even with an increased NIL budget, people keep saying well the talent will automatically rise. Not necessarily, there are 5 prime examples in the Top-10 of CBB NIL spending that are seeing little to next to no return on any added NIL money they forked over this past summer. So I am on the let CMM go train, if you are Woodward and have a name in mind. I know who I would want if you are going big game hunting. Have a second option and I think it’s time where he would. Then 3 or 4 lower key guys that I would hire and I believe the buyout of McMahon even with a $3 million or $2.8 NIL budget for the new coach but a guarantee in 2926 it gets up there to $4 million or $4.2, they would have a better team than CMM will be able to get.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48648 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:45 am to
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So Dji Bailey, from what I see does not have any of the 4 or 5 main LSU endorsement or player deals. I know for a fact, and it’s another story for another day, about what it cost to get him to LSU. That money, while it didn’t come from McMahon, it was his budget to buy a player, same as Wade. Like I said completely inexcusable for CWW or any other coach to ever do that lol. But coaches are given a budget and for all intents and purposes are negotiating through third parties before, during, and after the recruitment process. The only difference is a lot of the bag men money, and dark money, was able to be more legit. Talking to an assistant coach near where I went to school up in Virginia, he said there is actually a greater need now more than ever for bag men to keep players happy.


Thank you for proving my point. Will Wade was a dumb arse for being his own bag man. People bitch about other coaches who were caught up in that investigation and they were just as guilty as Wade. The difference was all the other coaches had plausible deniability. Wade did nothing to hide his involvement. He is guilty of his own arrogance.
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
4124 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:20 am to
So if Bailey is no better than fourth on the NIL pecking order at LSU and he was paid $450k, we can put to rest the BS narrative that McMahon was only working with $1-2 million in NIL funds.

Which makes it crystal clear that Woodward is trying to "buy another year" in hopes that Wade leaves Mcneese and won't be available when we replace McMahon.

One problem: Wade will make the tournament yearly and have some deep runs over those years at any major conference school he goes to. So Woodward better make a Pearl or Golden type hire when the time comes.

And for the mouth breathers who say Wade didn't have deep runs at LSU, think Scott Drew at Baylor dummies. That will be the type of tenure he'll have when he lands somewhere with NIL cash.



Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168251 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:27 am to
Paying 450 racks for Dji Bailey, a player who on his best day barely moves the needle for a team like us, makes me trust McMahon even less.
Posted by Coastrashtiger
Member since Nov 2021
299 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:28 am to
I do see yours man. All I am saying is do you think with NIL, on paper form of “buying” players. Wade or any other coach for that matter will get popped by the NCAA for that lol.

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Among the five Level I allegations, the NCAA accused Wade of providing "impermissible cash payments to the former fiancée of a student-athlete in order to buy her silence regarding prior and current impermissible inducements to student-athletes or prospective student-athletes." The allegation had not been previously reported. NCAA investigators found text messages between Wade and the woman in July and August 2017, in which the woman told Wade that people had offered her money to talk about LSU's payments to players.


Two well known schools had bag men go to a 19 year old pregnant girls apartment and entice her to sell out another school and her fiance. I can’t say for certain that Wade and like him would never or have never done that , just they aren’t so afraid they stoop to that chicken shite level.

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The NCAA also accused Wade of making payments in April 2018 to an individual who had influence in a prospect's decision on where he would play in college. In exchange for the individual's influence, "Wade directed that payments be made to [the individual] from a bank account in the name of Wade's spouse that Wade and his spouse treated as a joint account."


The payments in question were to an uncle of a recruit, that had known Wade for over 20 years and is a fixture on the Northeast EYBL circuit. So much so I joked he should have sent him $30,000 not $10,000. Because the player in question rumored to have gotten $650,000 a vehicle, which I saw him drive lol, a condo rental for his family, while he was at LSU, yet they weren’t living there or anything just to visit and watch him play, as well as a weekly bag of $1,000 and jewelry.

Yes he was stupid to use his actual wife’s account, but when you are talking about plausible deniability not a single coach in college basketball doesn’t know what is going to a player or round about even before NIL. So if you are telling me $15,000 is a lot, not in college basketball, probably about $10,000 short. My point is McMahon is struggling with his budget it has now happened two years in a row where he has missed on the top targets in the transfer portal not because of money, and then I wouldn’t say scramble but Options D,E,F,and G. Are overpaid and do not mesh well together. On paper they seem fine in a CMM Weave, Horns offenses, and on the other side his matchup man spliced in with some zone. But they just haven’t record is what it is. Now this team especially, losing Reed hurt more than say losing Sears, Carter, Bailey, or Givens.

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