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re: Special shoutout to Tom Walter, WF head coach..
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:32 am to DBG
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:32 am to DBG
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He’s not built like Paul Skenes. Simple as that.
I agree with that, except I'm talking about mentally. Like I said, the kid isn't a killer who wants the ball I guess. Sure, maybe he knows his body and blah blah. But ultimately he was still dealing and his pitch count was low (relative to a "give it all you've got" type of situation).
Someone built mentally like Skenes probably wants to pitch again tomorrow. Someone like Lowder would be happy he can rest and condition his hair all day.
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:33 am to Festus
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I can't get there yet with Thompson. I don't know what happened with him, but he hasn't been a dependable at bat for a long time, and it seems to be getting worse. What are his stats for this CWS? Something like 1-23?
that's about right, at least he's playing solid defense
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:35 am to Hot Carl
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This is a terrible thread, Coco. Just really bad takes from you. You’re better than this.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:37 am to CocomoLSU
I thought he wanted to leave the game to get the special celebration? Might be wrong though
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:37 am to bbap
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there was no evidence on the mound of him being out of gas. only faced 4 batters in the 7th, no drop in fastball velocity. wasnt hanging off speed pitches.
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Thompson sure, but Jobert had him 3-0 so you know he was sitting dead red and still couldnt catch up to Lowder's fastball on 3-0 or 3-1.
This.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:38 am to Trauma14
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WF still pitched another 3 scoreless innings. The loss is so far away from that decision.
I'm not blaming the loss on the decision. I'm simply thanking the coach for this dumb move (IMO).
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:38 am to monsterballads
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lowder couldn't hold the rope
The kid pitched his arse off. He stopped us cold. He was on short rest too.
No, he wasn’t Skenes, but we already knew that. He’s one of a kind.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:39 am to CocomoLSU
Maybe even more important was the change of pitchers before White. Had Crews not hit that double, WF may have not have changed pitchers, and who knows how that would have played out. While Morgan and White had the two obvious game changing plays, the Crews double may have been just as important.
Edit. Should have said single.
Edit. Should have said single.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:39 am to Festus
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I can't get there yet with Thompson. I don't know what happened with him, but he hasn't been a dependable at bat for a long time, and it seems to be getting worse. What are his stats for this CWS? Something like 1-23?
I generally can't stand Thompson, but if there is anybody in the world that is due, it's him.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:40 am to H-Town Tiger
My comment about the lab was in reference to a few other posters that implied Walter made the pitching change decisions based on some analytics from the pitching lab.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:41 am to tigerinridgeland
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Maybe even more important was the change of pitchers before White. Had Crews not hit that double, WF may have not have changed pitchers, and who knows how that would have played out. While Morgan and White had the two obvious game changing plays, the Crews double may have been just as important.
How many beers had you had by the 11th?
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:41 am to tigerinridgeland
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Maybe even more important was the change of pitchers before White. Had Crews not hit that double,
Single?
It actually worked out that Crews didn't stretch that to second base. Because then they likely walk Tommy.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:42 am to Tiger1242
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Meh, they reliever came in and did a really good job
Which made taking him out after one hit by Crews a real head scratcher to me. That guy was dealing before that one hit
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:42 am to CocomoLSU
He said double twice. He may have been seeing double.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:43 am to Weekend Warrior79
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My comment about the lab was in reference to a few other posters that implied Walter made the pitching change decisions based on some analytics from the pitching lab.
Lowder being gassed is the sum total of the "analytics" decisions they've made through the course of the season.
He wasn't physically prepared to pitch on short rest and he wasn't physically prepared to get deep into games.
Skenes hasn't pitched on short rest, but he's pitched deep into games several times. It's a learned skill and involves both physical and mental conditioning.
When you have a guy average in the low 80s pitch count all year, it's hard to ask him to expand at the very end.
ETA: It's one of the analytic trends across all of baseball. Don't let starters extend because you don't want the hitters to see them more than twice. I'm not a huge fan of it because I think there is still a lot of value in simply volume of innings (on the pro side), but I don't get paid to make those decisions.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:45 am to bbap
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but Jobert had him 3-0 so you know he was sitting dead red and still couldnt catch up to Lowder's fastball on 3-0 or 3-1.
Jobert took the 1st pitch for a strike (0-1). 2nd pitch was Jobert swinging at a pitch low and inside (0-2), 3rd pitch was ball (1-2), 3rd pitch was thrown past Jobert for the punchout. Was also Jobert's 2nd (or 3) strikeouts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:45 am to CocomoLSU
Thanks. Somehow I had it in my head he made it to second. But you are correct. Still an important hit because it seemed to have led to decisions that put Minacci in.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:47 am to stephendomalley
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hindsight is 50/50
FIFY
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:47 am to bbap
Not a single one. Was warchimg at the gym. But my memory was faulty this morning. Lol.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:48 am to bbap
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there was no evidence on the mound of him being out of gas. only faced 4 batters in the 7th, no drop in fastball velocity. wasnt hanging off speed pitches. so if he really decided that himself,.
Yes clearly the player himself is no position to judge how his arm felt since there was no “evidence”
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again..wuss
Nothing like anonymous message board posters calling out high level athletes. You are the biggest wuss of them all.
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