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re: Some LSU Basketball perspective for our program's direction
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:05 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:05 am to Mickey Goldmill
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So the talent won rather than his coaching?
Yes. Recruiting is the most important part. Anyone who argues with you about that is wrong.
It's definitely not the only part, but you can't win without the horses. That's why there's hope for CJJ. And also why there's skepticism.
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:09 am to Broski
Lol I never said coaching doesn't matter at all. I said recruiting is the most important aspect of winning. And you just agreed with me that talent can overcome coaching. Glad we finally see eye to eye lol.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:11 am to Mickey Goldmill
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And you just agreed with me that talent can overcome coaching
But coaching (or lack there of) can also not make the most of that talent. See: Martin, Jarell 2013-14
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:12 am to burdman
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Yes. Recruiting is the most important part. Anyone who argues with you about that is wrong. It's definitely not the only part, but you can't win without the horses. That's why there's hope for CJJ. And also why there's skepticism.
Totally agree. I'm not saying he's 100% proven yet. I'm saying I'm giving him more than 2 years worth of benefit of the doubt that he can get us there.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:13 am to Broski
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But coaching (or lack there of) can also not make the most of that talent. See: Martin, Jarell 2013-14
Did you not see the huge improvement he made from the beginning of the season till the end?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:14 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm saying I'm giving him more than 2 years worth of benefit of the doubt that he can get us there.
The two guys you are arguing with haven't said anything to the contrary about giving up on him after 2 seasons. All we've said is that he hasn't proven yet that he can get it done and you get mad that people don't have the same view point as you.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:16 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Did you not see the huge improvement he made from the beginning of the season till the end?
That's great, he was still underwhelming considering he was a top 10 player out of high school.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:20 am to Broski
Martin is extremely raw and has great potential.
I know he was ranked top 10 coming out of high school, but he shouldn't have been ranked that high from a pure basketball skill stand point.
I know he was ranked top 10 coming out of high school, but he shouldn't have been ranked that high from a pure basketball skill stand point.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:21 am to burdman
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Martin is extremely raw and has great potential.
He does.
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I know he was ranked top 10 coming out of high school, but he shouldn't have been ranked that high from a pure basketball skill stand point.
Well then Johnny shouldn't have thrown him in the fire as early as he did if that was the case.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:23 am to Broski
I'm not saying he's not good. I just think a top 10 ranking was too high for him for where was/is at the moment.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:25 am to Broski
Who else would have played? We only had a 7-8 man rotation. Martin needed the time and experience to get better. No one can justifiably criticize jones on Martin outside of scheme, but I think we all knew JOB was going to be the focal point.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:34 am to oauron
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Who else would have played? We only had a 7-8 man rotation
I'm talking about starting him right away when you easily could've gone with Coleman for the first part of the season with Martin coming off the bench.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:50 am to Mickey Goldmill
I was against the hire. North Texas for years, my dads buddy played for North Texas. Yeah he has brought excitement, but not coaching. There is a reason he hasn't coached anywhere else. But look at Brady, not a great coach, and def not a guy fans could get behind, but we had some serious talent under him and did well. We should expect the same from JJ.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:36 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Yes, that was me and I guess you could call that giving up on him. Now I'm not advocating firing him this year because you generally have to give a guy 4 years, but it appears to me that after two years it seems he's not able to coach like we all had hoped. He had talent this year but wasn't able to do a dang thing with it. I guess you could say that I'm predicting based on what we've seen that he is not going to make it instead of saying that definitively because I know he needs 4 years to prove he is or isn't.
Someone in this thread actually said Jones "doesn't have it" and won't get it done at LSU. So yes, people are already giving up on him.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:40 am to Broski
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Well then Johnny shouldn't have thrown him in the fire as early as he did if that was the case.
Man, you're REALLY digging for something to bitch about.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:57 am to otowntiger
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He had talent this year but wasn't able to do a dang thing with it
Yes, he did have some talent this year, but it was mostly limited to the starting 5. This team seemed to be hitting a bit of a stride (might be a stretch) when Malik got hurt. That put us down to Hammink being the second guy off the bench to play the 2/3. The first guy off the bench was Stringer. I love Stringer and what he accomplished in his 4 years, but there were games where he was simply a liability because of his inability to defend and play over taller guards. I think many people, including myself, over estimated the depth of this team. Malone, Odo, and Quarterman were not near the players that we expected them to be this year.
With CJJ's ability to recruit, the talent coming off the bench will improve, it will just take 2-3 recruiting classes for that to happen.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:20 am to Jrv2damac
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Losing is one thing, losing whilst looking the way LSU did in most losses is the bothersome part.
Agreed. 8 of our 10 sec losses were blowouts.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:10 pm to JMnola
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Agreed. 8 of our 10 sec losses were blowouts.
Not even close to being true unless you consider 8, 10, and 11 point losses "blow outs".
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:22 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Recruiting is better, but results on the court are no different than Johnson's last season (.500 in conference one win the SECT and an NIT bid ). Johnson's lack of talent was his own fault.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:36 pm to Broski
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And assuming that we'll make the tournament next year is not ignorant?
Well, you are assuming that we dont. so wouldnt that make you ignorant?
you sound like an argumentative prick.
I can assume we will make the tournament based off of returning players and newcomers. I called a prediction dumbass. You JJ detractors try so fricking hard...........
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:37 pm
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