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re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:08 am to therick711
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:08 am to therick711
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Watch Jefferson's last play against Arkansas last year.
You mean the one where Crowton ran five receivers in patterns fifteen yards down the field in an obvious blitzing down with no outlet route when we only had one possession left in a game we were losing?
That play?
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Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:08 am to just me
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First, you can't dismiss the Alabama game. It happened. In November 2011.
yes you can.
No other team on the schedule matches alabama defensively.
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Second, I liked the offense prior to the Alabama game. I didn't say Jeffeson SHOULD start.
However, Miles sees the QBs everyday in practice. Miles knows more than me.
So, IF Miles chooses to start Jefferson, there are perfectly rational reasons for it.
I have no problems with any of the this you typed.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:09 am to Topwater Trout
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Also JJ is better at some throws than JL.
What pass does he throw better?
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I don't get how either side can say one is so much better than the other.
Agreed. It's silly. I do think that JL gives us a passing threat in the red zone on fade routes that we don't have with JJ but then JJ gives us the running threat in the red zone.
It's almost a wash. I like going with Lee on most of the snaps, mainly because he gets rid of the ball quickly and he can open up the quick passing game to get our WRs involved.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:09 am to just me
Sh..your showing how dumb you really are.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:09 am to TIGRLEE
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yes you can.
No other team on the schedule matches alabama defensively.
exactly...it's called an OUTLIER.
They skew analysis and routinely excluded.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:11 am to Powerman
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What pass does he throw better?
Any one that requires velocity. Jefferson has a much better arm than Lee. He hasn't been nearly as accurate, though. Although I thought he threw the ball extrememly well in the 1st half Saturday. I didn't see as much of the 2nd half, though.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:11 am to CptBengal
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exactly...it's called an OUTLIER.
They skew analysis
Please tell me what in the OP is skewed. Let go and admit both qbs are fine. It makes watching the games so much more easier.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 10:12 am
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:11 am to lsufball19
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does his good performance against a team in november of 2010 somehow help us in november of 2011?
No, but just me wasn't suggesting that and neither was I. He was pointing out a trend in his getting better, something ignored by those hellbent on only remembering past poor play.
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fact remains, his sample size from this season is really really small, so i'm not ready to be completely on board with him being the starter when i haven't seen more than a solid performance against WKU. we have another QB i've watched do well all year except for one game. just seems really late in the year to be making such a major change, when the previous has been working
I don't disagree, other than to say that if some on this board had their way JJ would have been booted from the team back in late summer, or never reinstated after the Grand Jury and all indications are that we couldn't have gotten out of Tuscaloosa alive without him.
We've needed both guys, and will likely continue to need both guys. How Miles rotates them is his decision and I'm fine with whatever he does.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:11 am to just me
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just me
Nice post .. Last summer I rewatched all of last season's games. What the stats do not show is how many times JJ ran / scrambled 5, 8 or 11 yards for a First Down.
JJ keeps many drives alive with his feet.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:12 am to Adam Banks
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exactly...it's called an OUTLIER.
They skew analysis
Please tell me what in the OP is skewed
swing and a miss.
Play again?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:12 am to CptBengal
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exactly...it's called an OUTLIER.
Exactly
Lee throwing those two back to back picks are similar to JJ running for 80 yard TD's.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:12 am to Powerman
JJ definitely throws on the run a hell of a lot better. When he rolls out of the pocket, he has been pretty solid. Lee is the better pocket passer.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:13 am to Antonio Moss
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You mean the one where Crowton ran five receivers in patterns fifteen yards down the field in an obvious blitzing down with no outlet route when we only had one possession left in a game we were losing?
That play?
If it is always someone else's fault when Jefferson has a negative play, then there is no criticizing him, I guess. Watch Florida in 2009 and chart all five sacks he took in that game and explain to me why the play call was to blame. I think it is fair to acknowledge that he doesn't have great pocket awareness irrespective of down and distance and play call. I think honesty would compel anyone to acknowledge that.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:13 am to just me
Jefferson is not a good passer. He never was and still is not. he has improved with his read option decisions. we can win with Jefferson.
Jefferson is not a good passer
Jefferson is not a good passer
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:13 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
quote:Link? No, really.
I don't have an issue with the post, other than the fact I've seen the OP call out statistical cherry pickers,
quote:Hmmmm.
yet he does it every time when discussing JJ, i.e "starting with the Bama game in 2010".
Maybe it's because Jeffeson got MUCH better "starting with the Bama game in 2010".
Look, I don't count Lee in 2008. I don't count Lee in 2009. Lee helped LSU win two games in 2010. But I don't count his games after Tennessee against him.
Lee has played damn well in 2011. I have repeatedly stated that Lee has been remarkably efficient in 2011. Lee's been damn good. I even started a thread with that title.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:13 am to CptBengal
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swing and a miss.
Play again?
So dismissing the entire bama game for Lee isnt cherry picking stats but using the bama game till now for JJ is?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:13 am to mylsuhat
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Passing:
Lee > Jefferson
How can you say this when Lee is more apt to throw the devastating INT? Also, how can you say this when you see Lee bail out after nearly every throw?
If anything, I think both are pretty equal as passers, with neither being all that great. The difference then is that Jefferson gives you an extra dimension with his legs.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:14 am to Powerman
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What pass does he throw better
deep outs. he has a stronger arm than JL. See last weeks throw to OBJ.
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Agreed. It's silly. I do think that JL gives us a passing threat in the red zone on fade routes that we don't have with JJ but then JJ gives us the running threat in the red zone.
JL is definitely better throwing the fade.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:14 am to Adam Banks
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Adam Banks
so you have opted to play again.
We'll start simple....do you know what an OUTLIER is ?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:15 am to ScoopAndScore
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How can you say this when Lee is more apt to throw the devastating INT?
3 picks in 10 games, bud. Not exactly handing the game over to the opponent this season.
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