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re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:03 pm to DeathValleyHobo
Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:03 pm to DeathValleyHobo
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I'm not a hater but this is really stupid. Our running backs are all studs. JJ is not a good passer. Everyone in the country knows that.
JJ is not a good passer? We've seen him in limited time this year so far that's not giving him or NFL scouts any credit to what they said this past off-season.
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ESPN NFL analyst Chris Mortensen posted a tweet Thursday that mentioned Jefferson in the same breath as Stanford's Andrew Luck, a Heisman Trophy candidate, and Oklahoma's Landry Jones, as the event's three most impressive passers.
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"I worked with him briefly yesterday individually and how do you not like the physical makeup," ESPN analyst Jon Gruden said. "He's tall, athletic and is huge in the pocket."
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He's one of those guys when you watch him throw against the air, he's unbelievable," Palmer said. "You see his athleticism and look at the strong arm, his ability to make all the throws. His drops are about as natural as anyone I've ever played with, and that includes Kurt Warner, Kerry Collins and Eli (Manning)."
These guys aren't idiots...
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Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:12 pm to just me
Good effort.
I think JJ looks sharper this season. I think with JJ there are some issues that the stats don't reveal which have been pointed out here but that are difficult to quantify (e.g., tendency to tuck and run rather than read receivers - this may have resulted in a 4-5 yd gain but could have been a pass for 15-20+). Those groan moments when watching the game don't always translate to negative stats, but you still know an opportunity was there and missed.
Overall,
I hope both men play their best, are rewarded accordingly, and help lead the team to an undefeated NC season.
I think JJ looks sharper this season. I think with JJ there are some issues that the stats don't reveal which have been pointed out here but that are difficult to quantify (e.g., tendency to tuck and run rather than read receivers - this may have resulted in a 4-5 yd gain but could have been a pass for 15-20+). Those groan moments when watching the game don't always translate to negative stats, but you still know an opportunity was there and missed.
Overall,
quote:that's pretty huge.
but also because he is an effective threat to run at the snap even if someone else ends up carrying the ball.
I hope both men play their best, are rewarded accordingly, and help lead the team to an undefeated NC season.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:13 pm to BeeFense5
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Solid Post
Let's do a similar detailed analysis of JJ and JL versus UF last year, and see if we can use that to explain why JL didn't start the following game? JJ helped us win the Alabama game. Few are quibbling that point. We have absolutely no way of knowing how the game would have turned out had Les not yanked him as soon as JL threw the first pick. Similarly, JL bailed JJ out several times over a multi-game stretch last year where his play was putrid (to be kind), but it didn't mean we switched out QB's, when ALL this analysis people are pouring into dissecting the Alabama game would have left no reasonable conclusion we would leave JJ in. All we heard was, we are undefeated, why change horses, blah, blah, blah. So, why doesn't that EXACT same logic apply this year? Most of what I have seen is not a debate about the Alabama game and JJ's contribution, it's why JL seems to be permanently reassigned back to the clipboard, ignoring his preformance against everyone else we've played.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:28 pm to rbdallas
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Frankly,
what I have seen over the years is this:
when JJ is in, we seem to want to catch him doing something right so we can reward him
when JL is in, we seem, to want to catch him doing something wrong so we can punish him
right or wrong, that's my perception
JJ does not have to prove himself over and over.
JL has to prove himself over and over
I was ready to completely agree with you but I completely mixed up the JJ's and JL's when I read it the first time.
You can't honestly believe that JEFFERSON is the one that fans only remember the good plays and always forget the bad, can you?
Here's a question, how many 3 and outs or basically 3 and outs (< 20 yards and < 6 plays) did Lee have in the first halves of the first 8 games of the season?
(Based on people I've asked so far, the answer is probably more than double whatever number you guess.)
Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:35 pm to deSandman
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You can't honestly believe that JEFFERSON is the one that fans only remember the good plays and always forget the bad, can you?
neither one is at 100%, but yes JL has had to prove himself each and every year..as soon as a mistake occurs, he is pulled. Seldom do I see anyone mention the true reason for all the Pic 6s.
it seems unbalanced to me, almost as if it a knee-jerk reaction.
JL needs to make better decisions...I think some of his passes are "timed" routes and in AL's case, I think they detected that from film.
He also seems to throw better OVER the receivers than UNDER..both INTs were UNDER.
Coaching should help that...play calling or training.
BTW, I do not think either is a SUPER STAR.. I was addressing the perception of fairness, not just ability.
Here is something else I noticed last game..JL came in and the first 3 plays were RUNNING plays..why? that is not his forte.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:52 pm to rbdallas
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Seldom do I see anyone mention the true reason for all the Pic 6s.
That reason being?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:53 pm to Antonio Moss
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That reason being?
3rd and long.. usually on the wrong side of the 50. poor play calling and youthful mistakes. oh, and lack of effort from a few lazy players.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 12:55 pm to just me
ANNNNNND the joke of you continues.... Awesome.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:21 pm to rbdallas
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Here is something else I noticed last game..JL came in and the first 3 plays were RUNNING plays..why? that is not his forte.
Not they weren't. The first play was an incomplete pass with holding called on Clement.
Not that it really matters, but this just goes back to what I thought about people only remembering what they want to with Lee. Ford had a couple of nice runs, then we passed deep on 1st down to Beckham and it was broken up by WKU. Then we ran some more.
Again, how many 3 and outs (or near 3 and outs) do you think Lee had in the first halves of the first 8 games?
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It's 19.
14 three and outs and 5 other drives of less than 6 plays and 20 yards.
Two against Oregon, 2 against NW State, 3 against WV, 5 against Kentucky, 1 against UF, 4 against Tenn, and 2 against Auburn.
I'm not even saying thats bad. Three and outs happen to every team, especially when the other team's defense is fresh. But its certainly more than you would think after hearing every one freak out about how our offense was moving the ball like a finely tuned machine until having that one first half three and out against WKU.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:24 pm to just me
I don't think just me, topwater trout or bee watch the games. It's just not possible.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:30 pm to AlxTgr
I love the way the stats complied earlier on JJ left out all the games last year where he was absolutely terrible. You cannot cherry pick only the games where your guy played well and discount the ones where he played poorly.
In 2010 JJ was a way below average SEC QB. That is a fact.
In 2010 JJ was a way below average SEC QB. That is a fact.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:31 pm to just me
I want lee to start against ole miss, but dont hesitate to play JJ. But i want JJ to start against arkansas and run all over them.
I was watching sec express last night and JJ didnt make one bad pass. Our WRs are just not that good. Even Randle drops balls he should catch, and he has had some drops with lee also.
With beckham, he makes a good play, then a shitty play, then a good play, then a shitty play. I just dont get it.
I was watching sec express last night and JJ didnt make one bad pass. Our WRs are just not that good. Even Randle drops balls he should catch, and he has had some drops with lee also.
With beckham, he makes a good play, then a shitty play, then a good play, then a shitty play. I just dont get it.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:32 pm to dgnx6
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With beckham, he makes a good play, then a shitty play, then a good play, then a shitty play. I just dont get it.
Freshman
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:38 pm to Commando
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JL bailed JJ out several times over a multi-game stretch last year where his play was putrid (to be kind)
I see this posted a lot. Please list the several times for me and the exact plays u are talking about.
JL didnt bail anyone out. JJ bailed JL out of the bama game. JL had a few series hear and there, he had two tds on the year and that was against UF. JJ had already led scoring drives against every opponent before lee saw the field.
I could easily say we wouldnt have beat UF if JJ didnt lead us down the field with his feet to get a field goal before half time.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:39 pm to bmy
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3rd and long.. usually on the wrong side of the 50. poor play calling and youthful mistakes. oh, and lack of effort from a few lazy players.
There's no doubt Crowton didn't do him any favors. If I had been Jarrett Lee's dad, I would have had to be restrained from choking that Mormon on more than one occasion.
But, the simple fact remains, he's a fifth year senior with plenty of experience, and still doesn't have pocket presence, never improved his footwork, and has a knack for throwing to the only receiver with double coverage. He's going to throw the ball, it's just a matter of whether the primary(only) receiver is covered or not.
It's funny you bring up lack of effort from a few lazy players. Did you happen to notice Lee's effort to tackle Barron on his second pick of the Alabama game?
I'm hoping that we can use both QB's as needed the rest of the way. Maybe, if we're lucky, even at will. But, there's a good chance both will be needed at some point due to necessity.
And we're damn lucky and should be glad to have that option. There's no reason that both QB's can't share similar legacies to that of Mauck and Flynn.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:41 pm to AlxTgr
quote:I really don't mind being personally attacked in this thread whether it's based on my alleged bias or alleged lack of personal knowledge.
I don't think just me, topwater trout or bee watch the games. It's just not possible.
It's not my words that matter. The facts speak for themselves.
Those who attack me do so because they have no facts to refute the truth.
I guess if you're angry, you want to say something, but you have no facts to support your argument, the only thing you can do is attack the messenger.
Every time a poster attacks me personally, rather than address let alone refute the facts, they support my thread.
Thank you.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:41 pm to wahoocs
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It's funny you bring up lack of effort from a few lazy players. Did you happen to notice Lee's effort to tackle Barron on his second pick of the Alabama game?
Its funny how no one mentions JJ diving on that first fumble 10 yards up the field.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:44 pm to dgnx6
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Its funny how no one mentions JJ diving on that first fumble 10 yards up the field.
You can criticize Jefferson for a lot of things, but giving 100% effort on every play isn't one of them.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:45 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 11/17/11 at 1:51 pm to just me
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Every time a poster attacks me personally, rather than address let alone refute the facts, they support my thread.
I take his post as a compliment. If he agreed with me I would have to question my knowledge about the game.
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